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I was informed by Hertz 8 days ago about a PCN from GroupNexus that had been issued. Hertz attached the parking charge notice and it said I had 14 days to pay before the charge went up from £60 to £100.

The letter said, "We have provided your contact details to the relevant authority, to transfer liability to you for this fine. The authority will contact your directly to recover payment for this fine. In addition we have applied our standard administration fee of £ 42.00 for the processing of this violation. The authority will contact you directly in due course."

1. I have not heard anything from GroupNexus in the past 8 days. So, will they issue me a new PCN with a new deadline or do I have to still pay before the 14 day deadline issued to Hertz?

2. When Hertz say, "We have provided your contact details to the relevant authority", does that mean they have named me as the driver? I ask because I originally 'consulted' ChatGPT and they said I could appeal the fine with the below letter:

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I am the hirer/keeper of vehicle [REG]. Hertz has passed my details as the hirer/keeper. This is not an admission as to the identity of the driver. I will not be naming the driver.

You cannot transfer liability because you have not complied with the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, Schedule 4 for hire vehicles (paras 13–14). A valid Notice to Hirer must be accompanied by:

 1. a copy of the hire agreement
 2. a statement of liability signed by the hirer
 3. a copy of the original notice

These documents were not enclosed with your notice. Therefore there is no hirer/keeper liability and the charge must be cancelled.

Without prejudice to the above, signage at the EV charging area did not make any 2-hour limit prominent or clear, the vehicle was actively charging, and any overstay calculation must include the consideration and grace periods required by the BPA Code.

Please cancel this charge. If you refuse, please supply a POPLA verification code.

Is this a worthwhile pursuit or am I wasting my time and should just pay the charge?

Thanks!

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https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2012/9/schedule/4

14 days for NtK
28 days for keeper to respond with documents
21 days to serve notice to hirer

If Hertz miss their 28 day deadline, they become liable.

You reply to a notice to hirer sent to you. In the likely event the required documents are missing, you have identified your appeal.

Your appeal will be rejected, because they always are, but you won’t end up paying a penny if you follow advice here.

You have not been named as driver, you have been named as hirer and you must not identify the driver at any time.
« Last Edit: November 20, 2025, 12:54:10 pm by jfollows »

So the timeline so far is:

Date of alleged offence: 27 Oct (24 days ago)
Date of PCN issue: 04 Nov (17 days ago)
Initial deadline to pay reduced rate: 18 Nov (2 days ago)
Date of Hertz forwarding PCN: 12 Nov (8 days ago)

I am hoping that, despite the 'relevant authority' not getting in touch that I am not being held to the original deadline which is now passed.

It’s not your deadline, it’s the registered keeper’s.

The process is really simple, as I outlined, but the people in hire companies who administer this often get it totally wrong and make up nonsense.

Your own notice to hirer will have its own “deadlines” but you can ignore them because you won’t pay a penny.
« Last Edit: November 20, 2025, 01:02:39 pm by jfollows »

What does a 'charge back' to Hertz for admin fee mean?
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Also, when I asked Hertz to waive the admin fee for reasons that are not relevant here they replied with some vague email but in there it said:

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As per our rental conditions, if Hertz is required to pay any road tolls, fines, charges, or associated costs, we reserve the right to charge you an administration fee.

Upon reviewing our records, I can confirm that the amount of £42.00 was initially billed to your account. However, we received a chargeback from your credit card company, which placed the invoice on force charge. As a result, payment was required within 90 days before the matter was transferred to our external debt collection agency.

Can someone explain what this means in layman's terms and if it is at all significant? I am planning on appealing the PCN and if successful they agreed to waive the admin fee but if they are already trying to take it then I'm not sure if I should be doing something differently.

Thanks
« Last Edit: November 20, 2025, 02:37:23 pm by mjlazer »

Re: What does a 'charge back' to Hertz for admin fee mean?
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A chargeback is what happens when a payment is disputed by a card provider. This is usually initiated by the customer contacting their bank/card provider to dispute a transaction. Did you do this?

Re: What does a 'charge back' to Hertz for admin fee mean?
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No, I didn't dispute the charge. Not sure why AMEX would have done that on my behalf?

According to Google: "Initiating a credit card chargeback is generally not the correct procedure for disputing a PCN and can be a serious criminal offence in the UK, depending on circumstances. The enforcement authority will likely treat the debt as unpaid and escalate the case through the process above, leading to significantly higher costs and potential legal action."

So, could this be potentially bad for me?

Also, any idea what a 'force charge' is and why they talk in past tense when they say, "payment was required" within 90 days because they then provide a payment link.

Okay, that's good to know.

So I understand, is the 'notice to hirer' the letter/email I'm waiting for from GroupNexus with the new NtH deadline in it?

Also, I'm new here so just wanted to check what you meant when you said I "won’t end up paying a penny if you follow advice here". Is there an existing process which we're recommended to follow or do you mean following the case-specific advice in my own threads?

You are waiting for a notice to hirer addressed to you from the creditor parking company, GroupNexus, yes.
If you update this thread with progress you will get advice on your specific case. However you should spend the interim time to research the forum for similar cases so you have an idea of what to expect.
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The Hertz admin fee is a dispute between you, the Hirer and Hertz. You will need to refer to your hire agreement and show us the EXACT wording about parking charges. It is already obvious that they are using terminology that is likely in breach of their contract with the Hirer.

As for the Parking Charge Notice (PCN), you cannot respond to it until you receive the Notice to Hirer (NtH) addressed to you in your name. GroupNexus have no idea who the driver is and the can only hold the Hirer liable if they have fully complied with PoFA 2012. They never do, which is why an NtH PCN is a golden ticket as long as the drivers identity is not blabbed, inadvertently or otherwise.

If Hertz only transferred liability to the Hirer on 12 November, the Hirer must receive the NtH within 21 days. Not only does the NtH have to be received (“given”) within 21 days, it must also contain copies of the hire agreement etc. in order to be able to hold the Hirer liable if the driver is not identified.

Irrespective of the above, as long as you follow the advice here, you will not be paying a penny to GroupNexus. For now, there is nothing you can do until you receive the NtH in your name. When you do, follow this advice for the appeal:

There is no legal obligation on the known Hirer (the recipient of the Notice to Hirer (NtH)) to reveal the identity of the unknown driver and no inference or assumptions can be made.

The NtH is not compliant with all the requirements of PoFA which means that if the unknown driver is not identified, they cannot transfer liability for the charge from the unknown driver to the known Hirer.

Use the following as your appeal. No need to embellish or remove anything from it:

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I am the Hirer of the vehicle and I dispute your 'parking charge'. I deny any liability or contractual agreement and I will be making a complaint about your predatory conduct to your client landowner.

As your Notice to Hirer (NtH) does not fully comply with ALL the requirements of PoFA 2012, you are unable to hold the Hirer of the vehicle liable for the charge. Partial or even substantial compliance is not sufficient. There will be no admission as to who was driving and no inference or assumptions can be drawn. GroupNexus has relied on contract law allegations of breach against the driver only.

The Hirer cannot be presumed or inferred to have been the driver, nor pursued under some twisted interpretation of the law of agency. Your NtH can only hold the driver liable. GroupNexus have no hope at POPLA, so you are urged to save us both a complete waste of time and cancel the PCN.
Never argue with stupid people. They will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience” - Mark Twain
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Okay, here we go. The NtH has been received today, Dec 3, and was issued on Nov 24.

Given Hertz forwarded the PCN to me on 12 Nov, I'm assuming that put the GroupNexus deadline at 21 days from that email. That means I received the NtH exactly 21 days later.

They did not include any other documents other than the PCN.

So, if I am correct in thinking, I now need to appeal using the 'I am the Hirer...' message shared by @b789 and then just wait for the next update?

Exactly.

For completeness can you show us the Notice to Hirer?

Yes.
21 days is two working days after posting. Probably 4 December if you work it through, but sounds OK whatever.
« Last Edit: December 03, 2025, 01:10:26 pm by jfollows »

For completeness can you show us the Notice to Hirer?

Sure, I've removed any identifying information in case they're snooping this board.

I saw elsewhere that Plan A was a complaint to the client landowner. Shall I submit the appeal, as is, regardless and then also make a complaint to the client landowner?



« Last Edit: December 03, 2025, 01:24:18 pm by mjlazer »

That’s a Notice to Keeper, not to Hirer, they’re not “snooping the board” and removing times and dates is not helpful.
https://www.ftla.uk/private-parking-tickets/read-this-first-private-parking-charges-forum-guide/

You were not the Registered Keeper at the time of parking, as claimed.
« Last Edit: December 03, 2025, 01:56:27 pm by jfollows »