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Good evening,

I have just received the following from horizon parking

https://ibb.co/6JmMgvp3

I was not the driver of this vehicle but I am the registered keeper.

I arrived at the carpark having booked a stay in the Premier Inn Boston.  The vehicle referenced in the letter arrived a few minutes later.  I do not remember seeing any signs detailing requirements to register a vehicle registration number and, as can be seen in the arrival photo, it was dark and the carpark was very poorly lit.

I then proceeded to check in at the hotel and was instructed to register my vehicle which I did.  The driver of the vehicle in question entered the hotel a short time later but was not informed of the requirements to register the vehicle (unfortunately I didn't realise this and didn't remind them myself)

It is worth highlighting that the parking is advertised as "free parking" on the Premier Inn website and no payment was due for the stay.

The letter was delivered to a neighbour (this is a royal mail error as my correct address was shown). I therefore received the letter 15 days after the alleged offence.

I live in Scotland and advice elsewhere suggests that this makes it challenging to make a case under POFA even for an alleged offence in England....it does however also make it difficult to go and collect evidence of lack of signage etc.

I've tried to figure out if this is a compliant notice to keeper but I'm not certain I understand the subtleties.  I'm also not certain when a notice is considered "served"

What's the suggested best course of action?

Appeal?

Ignore?

Try and get Premier Inn to sort it?

Just pay up?

Many thanks in advance

Gareth

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Re: Horizon Parking Premier Inn Boston
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We need to see the back page of the notice.

Your first port of call should be Premier Inn.

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Apologies....back of the ntk is at:

https://ibb.co/ymGgrPw2

Cheers

Garerh

Re: Horizon Parking Premier Inn Boston
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It matters not whether their NtK is PoFA complaint or not. PoFA does not apply for a Scottish resident. As long as the driver is not identified, there is nothing they can do with this.

The odds of a scummy English private parking firm issuing an out of jurisdiction claim to a Scottish resident is almost zero. Issuing a claim in England against a Scottish resident requires much extra paperwork, much higher service costs, and longer timelines. These serial litigation firms operate on bulk automation and won’t invest in bespoke litigation unless the sum is substantial.

The odds of recovery are also almost zero. Scottish defendants are much harder to enforce against. Even if judgment was obtained, enforcement in Scotland requires registration and further procedural steps under the Civil Jurisdiction and Judgments Act 1982.

As PoFA doesn’t apply in Scotland, if the keeper liability route is being used, it’s legally impossible for them to succeed if the driver is not identified, and in this case, the Keeper was not even the driver anyway.

Additionally, a Scottish defendant can challenge jurisdiction or argue forum non conveniens. While not guaranteed to succeed, it adds friction and risk for the claimant.

So, you may as well go through the appeals process, only as the Keeper, if only to frustrate the morons at Horizon, but if, as the end f the day you are not successful in getting it cancelled, you can safely ignore everything else that follows. They will not sue you.

I would appeal as follows:

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Subject: Appeal Against PCN – [Insert PCN Reference]

Dear Horizon Parking,

The registered keeper of the vehicle is a Scottish resident and was not the driver at the time of the alleged contravention. The keeper will not be identifying the driver as there is no legal obligation to do so.

Your Notice to Keeper relies on Schedule 4 of the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012 to pursue keeper liability. That statute does not apply in Scotland. Issuing a PoFA-based NtK to a Scottish resident is not just legally futile—it’s procedurally embarrassing.

If this is the level of legal understanding your operation runs on, I suggest you invest in a map and a copy of the Civil Jurisdiction and Judgments Act 1982.

You now have two options:

1. Cancel the PCN and spare yourselves further humiliation.
2. Issue a POPLA code and waste even more money defending a position you’ll inevitably have to concede.

Choose wisely. Until then, cease all correspondence.

Yours sincerely,

[Your Name]
Never argue with stupid people. They will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience” - Mark Twain

Re: Horizon Parking Premier Inn Boston
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Marvelous....many thanks!

Re: Horizon Parking Premier Inn Boston
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As predicted, a standard "hasn't read the question" denial of appeal (text below). 
Happy to ignore it but also happy to string it along a bit through POPLA if it ends up costing them money!  Any downsides to doing this?

Cheers!

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Thank you for your recent correspondence concerning the above-referenced Parking Charge.



Review of your Appeal



The Parking Charge was issued lawfully and in full and proper accordance with the Private Parking Sector Single Code of Practice issued by the British Parking Association (the ‘BPA’).



There are signs located at the entrance to, and within the car park, that state the terms and conditions that apply when parking.



As clearly stipulated on signage within the car park, payment or registration for parking must be made for the full duration of the vehicles stay.  Our systems do not show any evidence of payment or registration made against this vehicle on the incident date.



The signs throughout the car park are clear and comply fully with the BPA’s prescribed rules and regulations.  When parking on private land, it is the driver’s responsibility to ensure they adhere to the terms and conditions of the car park concerned.



As we have not been provided with the name and a serviceable address for the driver/hirer, under Schedule 4 of the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, we do have the right, subject to meeting the requirements of the Act, to recover from the Registered Keeper the amount that remains outstanding. We have obtained the name and address of the registered keeper of the vehicle from the DVLA for the purposes of enforcing this charge.



Given the above, and whilst we have considered your representations carefully, on this occasion your appeal has been rejected, although please see the paragraph below regarding further evidence, receipt of which may enable us to review your case further.



Further Evidence



Although we have rejected your appeal, we would be happy to review the status of your appeal should supporting evidence be provided.



Horizon Parking is unable to process a Transfer of Liability (TOL) until a full name and serviceable address has been provided. Please send the required details via email to TOL@horizonparking.co.uk , along with the Parking Charge reference number and vehicle registration.



To submit the requested evidence, you can do so by resubmitting the appeal form available on our website, www.horizonparking.co.uk or write to us at Horizon Parking Ltd, Finitor House, 2 Hanbury Road, Chelmsford, CM1 3AE.



Until we receive this important evidence, please be advised that the Parking Charge will remain outstanding. However, in good faith, we will hold the current charge rate for an additional 14 calendar days to allow you sufficient time to compile and send the information we require. Once received, we will review the matter further and respond to you accordingly.



We look forward to receiving the above information so we may further consider the Parking Charge for you. Please be aware that Horizon must reserve its rights to pursue the Charge if the evidence requested is not received within the next 14 calendar days.

 

The Charge Amount and Methods of Payment



In good faith, Horizon will hold the charge at the current amount of £57 for a further 14 days from the date of this correspondence to allow you further time to pay.



Payment of the outstanding charge can be made using our 24-hour payment line: 020 8106 0789 or online at Horizon Parking Portal



Alternatively, payment can be made via cheque made payable to Horizon Parking Ltd and posted to Horizon Parking Ltd, Finitor House, 2 Hanbury Road, Chelmsford, Essex, CM1 3AE.



Additional Types of Appeal



If you have no evidence that you wish to submit to us, then you have now reached the end of our appeals procedure.  Although we have rejected your appeal, the Parking On Private Land Appeals (POPLA) provides an independent appeals service. To use this service, you must appeal to POPLA within 28 days of the date of this correspondence.



For full instructions on how to appeal to POPLA, please visit their website at www.popla.co.uk. If you would rather progress this matter by post, please contact our Appeals Office and we will send you the necessary paperwork.



Your POPLA reference number is XXXXXXXXXXXX



Please be advised that if you elect for independent arbitration of your case, you will be required to pay the charge at the full amount and, as such, will no longer qualify for payment at the reduced rate. Please also be advised that POPLA will not accept an appeal where payment is made against the Parking Charge in question.



We are required by law to inform you that Ombudsman Services (www.ombudsman-services.org/) provides an alternative dispute resolution service that would be competent to deal with your appeal; however, Horizon has not chosen to participate in their alternative dispute resolution service.  As such, should you wish to appeal, then you must do so to POPLA as explained above.



Yours sincerely,



Appeals Department

Horizon Parking Limited

Re: Horizon Parking Premier Inn Boston
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In practical terms there is no real downside to using the POPLA code in this situation, provided you continue to deal with this strictly as the Scottish keeper and you do not identify the driver.

POPLA is just an industry-run appeal stage that Horizon has to pay for. If POPLA allows the appeal, the charge should be cancelled. If POPLA refuses the appeal, that does not create any additional legal liability beyond the claim Horizon is already asserting, it does not create any CCJ risk, and it is not binding on you or on any court.

The fundamental position remains:

1. You are the keeper, resident in Scotland.
2. PoFA keeper liability does not apply to Scottish-domiciled keepers.
3. You have not identified the driver.

That combination makes it legally and commercially unattractive for an English parking firm to try to sue you in England. Issuing a cross-border claim involves more paperwork, higher cost, longer timescales and, even if they obtained judgment, enforcing it in Scotland requires more procedure and cost. A POPLA decision in their favour would not change any of that.

The only real “risk” in taking it to POPLA is self-inflicted: if the wording of your POPLA appeal accidentally identifies, or strongly implies, who was driving. For example, slipping into first-person descriptions of what happened on the day, or giving details that only the driver could know, can give them ammunition. As long as you keep it strictly from the keeper’s perspective, make no admissions about who was driving, and stick to legal/technical points (Scottish keeper, PoFA misuse, lack of keeper liability, any signage issues etc.), the jurisdiction and enforcement position stays the same whether you win or lose at POPLA.

So the choice is essentially:

If you can be bothered to spend a bit of time drafting a careful, keeper-only POPLA appeal, you can do so to cost them a POPLA fee and to have a shot at cancellation.

If you cannot be bothered, you can safely stop now and ignore everything short of a genuine Letter of Claim or claim form, bearing in mind that the likelihood of Horizon pursuing cross-border litigation against a Scottish keeper over a single PCN is extremely low to zero.

You can use the following as your single point POPLA appeal:

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I am the registered keeper of the vehicle. I am permanently resident in Scotland.

Your operator’s rejection letter states that, because I have not provided the name and address of the driver, they have the right under Schedule 4 of the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012 (“PoFA”) to recover the parking charge from me as keeper. That is simply wrong in law.

PoFA Schedule 4 is a statute of the Westminster Parliament which creates a limited form of “keeper liability” for certain private parking charges. It applies only to land in England and Wales. It does not apply in Scotland and it does not create any keeper liability in respect of a Scottish-domiciled keeper. In Scotland, liability (if any) for a private parking charge rests only with the driver.

In this appeal, I am acting only as the registered keeper. I was not the driver. I am under no legal obligation to identify the driver and I will not be doing so. Since PoFA does not apply to this Scottish keeper, there is no lawful route by which Horizon can transfer liability from the unidentified driver to me.

Horizon’s assertions in their Notice to Keeper and rejection letter that they can recover this charge from the “Registered Keeper” under PoFA are therefore legally unfounded. POPLA cannot rely on PoFA to hold a Scottish keeper liable where Parliament has not conferred such power, and POPLA cannot assume that the keeper was the driver.

Because there is no keeper liability in this case, and the driver has not been identified, there is no lawful basis on which this charge can be enforced against me. The appeal must therefore be allowed and the Parking Charge Notice cancelled.

Before anyone jumps at me and queries whether POPLA can be used by a Scottish Keeper, it is perfectly OK for a Scottish keeper to use POPLA in this case because the alleged contravention happened in England, not Scotland.

POPLA’s “only the driver can appeal” rule applies only to parking charges issued for incidents that took place in Scotland or Northern Ireland. It is about where the parking event occurred, not where the keeper lives.

Here, the site is Premier Inn Boston in England, so this is an English PCN. For English PCNs, POPLA will accept an appeal from the registered keeper, even if that keeper is domiciled in Scotland. As long as the POPLA appeal is written strictly in the capacity of keeper and does not identify the driver, it is fine to use POPLA in this scenario.
Never argue with stupid people. They will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience” - Mark Twain

Re: Horizon Parking Premier Inn Boston
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Cheers.....I've submitted the POPLA appeal and shall update on the outcome
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Initial Response from POPLA including the horizon response is in.  Loads of detail in a pdf that I can redact and upload in a few days if needed but most seems to be standard photos of signs etc.  key bit of interest is as follows...

The appellant is the registered keeper and has stated they reside in Scotland, which is confirmed by the postal address the DVLA provided us with when the Parking Charge was issued – their address is indeed in Glasgow. The appellant goes on to state that because the Protection of Freedom Act 2012 (‘POFA’) does not apply in Scotland, they have no “legal obligation” to identify the driver. This would indeed be correct if the parking event had occurred in Scotland. However, this parking event occurred at Premier Inn Boston, which is located in eastern England – the address is Wainfleet Road, Boston, Lincolnshire, PE21 9RW. Please see a screenshot from Google Maps showing the location of the hotel.  Because the parking event occurred in England, where POFA applies, and the Parking Charge has been issued in full compliance with POFA, the Registered Keeper can be held liable for the Parking Charge their vehicle has been issued, in the event the driver is not identified.

And

The appellant has not been given two opportunities to provide the driver’s name and address – the first in the Notice to Keeper itself and the second when the appeal was responded to. The appellant has stated to POPLA that “in Scotland, liability (if any) for a private parking charge rests only with the driver” which is correct – but this Parking Charge was not issued in Scotland. It was issued in England, where POFA does apply and the Notice to Keeper has been issued in full compliance with this.  The appellant appears to suggest that they can authorise the use of their vehicle in England and not be expected to be held liable for any Parking Charges that are results of the vehicle breaching the terms and conditions on private land throughout England, simply because they are a “a Scottish-domiciled keeper”. The appellant is incorrect with this assumption.  Our position remains that this Parking Charge was issued correctly. We maintain the appellant entered a valid contract and should pay the valid parking charges as per the signage on the site.


Ignoring the typo and the geography lesson, they still seem to be getting confused with keeper liability and whether I (as appellant) entered into a contract which, clearly as non driver, I did not!

Welcome your thoughts 

Re: Horizon Parking Premier Inn Boston
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Simply copy and paste the following rebuttal:

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Horizon’s “operator evidence” manages to miss the actual point of the appeal and then confidently argue with a position I have never taken.

For the avoidance of doubt, I do not dispute that the car park is in England. Horizon’s long Google Maps diversion is irrelevant. The location of the car park does not answer the only question that matters for POPLA: on what lawful basis can Horizon pursue me, a Scottish-domiciled registered keeper who was not the driver, for this alleged contractual parking charge?

There are two separate issues here which Horizon have muddled together:

1. Who could ever have entered into a parking contract?
2. Whether there is any lawful route to transfer liability from that person to me as keeper.

On the first point, the only person who can possibly have entered into a parking contract is the driver. Only the driver was on site, saw any signs, and could have agreed to any terms. I am the registered keeper. I was not the driver. Horizon has produced no evidence to the contrary. Their assertion that “the appellant entered a valid contract” is therefore simply untrue: the “appellant” in this POPLA case is the keeper, and the keeper was not present.

On the second point, Horizon’s entire argument rests on waving PoFA Schedule 4 around and saying “this parking event occurred in England, therefore PoFA applies, therefore the keeper can be held liable”. That is legally sloppy. The Department for Transport’s own guidance expressly describes Schedule 4 as a regime for recovering unpaid private parking charges “on private land in England and Wales” and the sector’s own material openly recognises that Schedule 4 does not apply in Scotland and does not create keeper liability there. In Scotland, only the driver can be liable for a private parking charge. The fact that the alleged breach took place in England does not magically switch on an English keeper-liability regime against a Scottish consumer sitting in Glasgow.

As a Scottish-domiciled private individual, any realistic civil claim against me would have to be brought in Scotland and determined under Scots law. There is no Scottish equivalent of PoFA Schedule 4 in force. Horizon’s suggestion that they can “hold the Registered Keeper liable under PoFA” in circumstances where the keeper is domiciled in a different legal jurisdiction, which has deliberately not adopted keeper liability, is wishful thinking dressed up as law. A Google Maps screenshot of Boston does not extend the territorial reach of an English statute into Scotland.

Horizon also make much of the idea that I have been “given opportunities” to name the driver, as if that somehow cures their problem. It does not. There is no legal obligation on a Scottish keeper to identify the driver in these circumstances. If the driver is not named, the only question is whether there is any lawful keeper-liability mechanism that can apply. Here there is not. Horizon’s repeated failure to separate “where the car park is” from “what law can be used to pursue this particular consumer in their home jurisdiction” is the core error in their reasoning.

So the position for POPLA is simple. I am the registered keeper, resident in Scotland. I have clearly stated I was not the driver and Horizon has not proved otherwise. Outside PoFA, there is no general principle that makes a keeper liable for a driver’s alleged breach. PoFA’s keeper-liability regime does not operate against a Scottish-domiciled keeper. Horizon has therefore failed to show any lawful basis on which this charge can be enforced against me. Their submission consists largely of a geography lesson and a misstatement of who supposedly entered into a contract. On the evidence before you, the only person who could potentially be liable is the unidentified driver, who is not a party to this appeal. The appeal must therefore be allowed.
Never argue with stupid people. They will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience” - Mark Twain