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Hi everyone,

I took my mother to Royal Berkshire Hospital in Reading on 27th March for her to go inside and collect something. There was no place to park so I just drove around and then eventually found a space that I think was for EV cars. I kept the car running and at no point I left the car. I can't tell how long I was waiting but it might have been 10-15min.

I then received this PCN yesterday 10th April as per bellow.

https://postimg.cc/gallery/KjSctW4

It looks so clumsy to me, it doesn't even show when I left the place. Do I have any grounds to argue that I did not technically parked my car or left it at any time?

Appreciate your guide and input in this matter.

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Speak to PALS, see https://www.royalberkshire.nhs.uk/services-and-departments/patient-advice-and-liason-service-pals

Your car was parked for 10-15 minutes, the fact that you were sat in it has no bearing.
« Last Edit: April 11, 2025, 11:38:11 am by jfollows »

As above, PALS is your Plan A.  If that has not managed to get the PCN cancelled by Wednesday 2nd May, send the following as your appeal to APCOA. You are only appealing as the Keeper so select "other" as your reason.

Easy one to deal with… as long as the unknown drivers identity is not revealed. There is no legal obligation on the known keeper (the recipient of the Notice to Keeper (NtK)) to reveal the identity of the unknown driver and no inference or assumptions can be made.

The NtK is not compliant with all the requirements of PoFA which means that if the unknown driver is not identified, they cannot transfer liability for the charge from the unknown driver to the known keeper.

Use the following as your appeal. No need to embellish or remove anything from it:

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I am the keeper of the vehicle and I dispute your 'parking charge'. I deny any liability or contractual agreement and I will be making a complaint about your predatory conduct to your client landowner.

As your Notice to Keeper (NtK) does not fully comply with ALL the requirements of PoFA 2012, you are unable to hold the keeper of the vehicle liable for the charge. Partial or even substantial compliance is not sufficient. There will be no admission as to who was driving and no inference or assumptions can be drawn. APCOA has relied on contract law allegations of breach against the driver only.

The registered keeper cannot be presumed or inferred to have been the driver, nor pursued under some twisted interpretation of the law of agency. Your NtK can only hold the driver liable. APCOA have no hope at POPLA, so you are urged to save us both a complete waste of time and cancel the PCN.
Never argue with stupid people. They will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience” - Mark Twain

Thanks a lot. Today I tried to trach PALS on the phone few times but didn't have much luck. So I thought of emailing them. However it occurred to me that by contacting PALS, I need to tell them the story and by doing that, I admit that I was the driver. If they share this with APCOA and they reject and then I appeal directly with your text, am I not contradicting myself? Could they somehow keep a record of my PALS communication and use it against me?! Or am I thinking too much?!


You’re absolutely right to pause before contacting PALS, especially given that APCOA has not invoked the Protection of Freedoms Act (PoFA) in the Notice to Keeper. This means that they cannot hold the Keeper liable, and their only recourse is to pursue the driver. As such, preserving Keeper anonymity is key.

The risk lies in accidentally identifying the Keeper as the driver, which could undermine your ability to argue that no Keeper liability exists under Schedule 4 of the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012 (PoFA), especially since APCOA is not relying on PoFA in this case. But it can be mitigated.

However, the legal risk is very low in practice because APCOA does not litigate. They have a long-standing policy of not pursuing claims through the County Court, even if appeals are exhausted or ignored. Therefore, the worst-case scenario is usually a series of debt collector letters, which the Keeper can safely ignore.

By contacting PALS without care can risk undermining your PoFA defence. But with the right wording, it is possible to make a powerful and safe representation that does not identify the driver. The goal is to raise the issue purely as the Registered Keeper without compromising that legal distinction.

Any contact therefore, should be from the Keeper, and written in the third person. For example:

“The driver was collecting a vulnerable patient following outpatient surgery. The vehicle remained on site for [X] minutes due to mobility difficulties. The Keeper received a PCN despite no parking contract being accepted.”

Any complaint to PALS should be treated as a complaint about patient experience and hardship, not a challenge to APCOA — and copy the Trust CEO if needed, to keep the focus on Trust accountability.

Try something like this:

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Dear PALS Team,

I am contacting you as the Registered Keeper of a vehicle that has received a Parking Charge Notice (PCN) issued by APCOA in connection with a visit to Royal Berkshire Hospital on 27th March 2025. The PCN reference number is [INSERT PCN NUMBER].

The driver was at the hospital to assist a vulnerable patient (the driver’s mother), who needed to briefly enter the hospital to collect an item. Due to a lack of available parking on site, the vehicle was driven around and eventually waited in what appeared to be an EV charging bay. The engine remained running and the driver did not leave the vehicle at any point.

The Notice to Keeper was received on 10th April. The images provided are unclear and fail to show when the vehicle exited the site, making it uncertain whether the alleged contravention relates to parking at all, or merely a short period of waiting.

The PCN does not show any defined period of parking — only a single timestamp of 09:49. This makes it difficult to understand the basis of the allegation that the vehicle was parked without payment or a permit.

Given that this visit was entirely for the benefit of a vulnerable patient and no misuse of parking facilities occurred, I would be grateful if the Trust could:

• Confirm whether it supports the issuance of PCNs in cases where the driver remains in the vehicle;
• Consider cancelling this charge on compassionate or discretionary grounds;
• Confirm whether a Trust policy exists for handling complaints about parking enforcement by APCOA.

Please ensure that this correspondence is not shared with APCOA without my express consent.

Kind regards,

[Full Name]
Registered Keeper
[Vehicle Registration]
« Last Edit: April 12, 2025, 12:51:29 pm by b789 »
Never argue with stupid people. They will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience” - Mark Twain

Incredible! Thank you.