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F1RST Parking PCN – Bewl Water – Paid via Ringo but still charged £100
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The Bewl Water FAQ itself says parking is charged from 08:00:

https://www.bewlwater.co.uk/faq/

Registered keeper has now received a £100 PCN from First Parking LLP for Bewl Water.

The notice says the car entered at 06:46 and left at 09:17 (151 minutes). The allegation is that payment wasn’t made for the full duration.

The alleged driver has a Ringo receipt showing payment from 08:03–09:03. The car left at 09:17.

So it looks like 3 minutes late to start and 14 minutes over at the end. But surely there should be a grace period either side?

It’s highly confusing – the website itself shows 08:00, which is exactly why payment wasn’t made before then. Registered keeper has no idea what this clear signage is outside Bewl Water about private land that letter aludes to. Keeper is only aware that there is on grounds parking which begins at 08:00 which was largely respected.

To make things worse, the letter is dated 17/09/2025, but it was only found on the doormat this morning (27/09/2025). It says the £100 full charge must be paid by 01/10/2025 at 11:42am, which doesn’t leave much time to deal with it properly.

How does this add up to a £100 bill? It makes no sense at all.

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DO NOT identify the driver. There is no legal obligation on the unknown (to them) driver to identify the known Keeper.

The reservoir is subject to reservoir safety legislation, including the Reservoirs Act 1975, which imposes duties on the undertaker regarding inspection, maintenance, and emergency planning. While the leisure and parking operations are run by Salomons UK Ltd, a private company, the underlying land remains part of a statutory utility asset. Because the land is governed by a specific statutory Act and is part of a statutory water undertaking, it is not “relevant land” under Schedule 4 of the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012. This means that keeper liability for private parking charges cannot be enforced under PoFA at this location.

See the linked thread above for how to word the appeal. Note the hook: PoFA Sch 4, para 3(1)(c) excludes land “on which the parking... is subject to statutory control.” If there are byelaws or other statutory controls in force at Bewl Water, PoFA keeper liability is unavailable.

The Medway Water (Bewl Bridge Reservoir) Act 1968 is the local Act that established and governs the Bewl scheme and authorised land acquisition/works. It evidences that the reservoir forms part of a statutory water undertaking, i.e., land under statutory control. Read together with the Reservoirs Act 1975 regime (which imposes statutory duties on the undertaker for inspection, maintenance and emergency planning) this places activities at Bewl within a statutory framework. Under PoFA 2012 Sch 4, land where parking is “subject to statutory control” is excluded from “relevant land,” so keeper liability cannot arise there.
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Send the following email to First Parking by first class post and get a free certificate of posting from any post office to First Parking LLP, 27 Old Gloucester Street, London, WC1N 3AX:

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Subject: Formal complaint – Breach of PPSCoP 8.1.1(d) and KADOE (Keeper liability misrepresented at Bewl Water)

Dear First Parking LLP Complaints Team,

I write as the registered keeper in relation to Parking Charge Notice [PCN ref], issued at Bewl Water on 17/09/2025.

Your Notice to Keeper (NtK) states or implies that you are able to hold me (the Keeper) liable under Schedule 4 to the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012 (PoFA). That statement is incorrect for this location and places you in breach of the Private Parking Single Code of Practice (PPSCoP), section 8.1.1(d). As you know, a breach of the PPSCoP is also a breach of your DVLA KADOE contract.

Why PoFA keeper liability cannot apply at Bewl Water
PoFA Sch 4 excludes “relevant land” where parking is “subject to statutory control” (Sch 4, para 3(1)(c) and 3(3)).

Bewl Water is a statutory reservoir/undertaking created and governed by specific legislation, including:

• Medway Water (Bewl Bridge Reservoir) Act 1968 (local Act establishing the scheme; authorising works and land acquisition).
• Reservoirs Act 1975 (statutory safety regime imposing duties on the undertaker for inspection, maintenance and emergency planning).

The presence of this statutory framework means the land is under statutory control for PoFA purposes, irrespective of present operational or ownership arrangements.

References (official sources)


Breach of PPSCoP and KADOE
PPSCoP 8.1.1(d) requires that operators must not state or imply that keeper liability applies where Schedule 4 does not. By asserting PoFA keeper liability at Bewl Water, your NtK misrepresents the legal position. This is a Code breach and, consequently, a breach of the DVLA’s KADOE terms, which require adherence to the applicable Code as a condition of data access.

Required remedies
As this is a formal complaint, please confirm within 14 days how you will rectify this compliance failure. At minimum, I expect you to:

1. Cancel PCN [PCN ref] and confirm in writing that no keeper liability is pursued at Bewl Water.
2. Cease and correct all NtK templates and website wording for sites under statutory control to remove any assertion (or implication) of PoFA keeper liability.
3. Conduct an immediate audit of outstanding NtKs issued for Bewl Water (and any other sites under statutory control) and notify affected keepers accordingly.
4. Provide details of staff guidance/training updates to prevent recurrence.

If you do not provide a satisfactory response, I will escalate this complaint to the British Parking Association and to the DVLA for investigation of a PPSCoP/KADOE breach.

Your published complaints policy states complaints must be submitted by post. For the avoidance of doubt, I will only accept your response by post or by email (your choice). Do not require telephone contact, web portals or third-party platforms for complaint handling or evidence review. Please treat this email as a formal complaint and provide your written response by [date – 14 days from today].

Yours faithfully,

[Full name]

[Postal address]
[Email]
Registered Keeper of vehicle [VRM]
PCN: [reference]
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Re: F1RST Parking PCN – Bewl Water – Paid via Ringo but still charged £100
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Hi,

Registered Keeper followed the sticky advise and first emailed the managing agent of Bewl Water to tell them about this charge to dispute and request cancellation. They replied to say they would look into it but never got back.

Now just today I have received this letter from DCBL...

What do I do? Stressing me out.I still dont even understand what this charge is about based on thread above.

Pic link here:

https://ibb.co/cXvg7TWF

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Did you appeal as in Reply #3 and the link given in Reply #1?

In the meantime, ignore DCBL, do not contact them in any way. DCB Legal, on the other hand, should not be ignored.
« Last Edit: November 03, 2025, 05:43:38 pm by jfollows »
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You can safely ignore any debt recovery letters. Debt collectors are powerless to do anything except to try and intimidate the low-hanging fruit on the gullible tree to pay up out of ignorance and fear. You can safely shred those letters and use them as hamster bedding for all anyone cares. Stop stressing.

Did you send the formal complaint as advised to First Parking?
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Thanks for your answers. Apologies but I did not send the letter above. I opted for another forum advice of first contacting Bewl Water themselves and asked them to cancel this as it was predatory. They said they would look into it and never got back to me then I received this letter yesterday.

On the next letter I receive from DCBL, I will post the letter above to them. Or do you think I should just post it now before they contact again?

Thank you for your help.
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To repeat: do not contact DCBL in any way, do not call them, do not send them a letter, ignore them.
The reason they wrote to you is because you did not take our advice and appeal on the basis of non-compliance with PoFA 2012 because it is not “relevant land”.
However you would have ended up here anyway, it’s just that you would have stated your position and submitted a valid appeal which would have been rejected anyway.
Wait for a Letter of Claim from DCB Legal and come back here when you do. In the meantime, search the forum to see that in >99.9% of similar cases DCB Legal will eventually discontinue rather than pay the court fee. You will be given advice on the process between now and then.
« Last Edit: November 04, 2025, 07:47:50 am by jfollows »
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It was a formal complaint that I took time to research for you. Thank you for wasting my time. I hope someone else doesn't waste their time trying to assist you, if you can't be bothered following the advice given.

I saw your thread on MSE and you have decided to follow their advice instead, where they didn't even know about the status of the land in question, even after I had already given it to you.

Good luck. I'm not going to bother with this thread from now on.
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Hi B789

Firstly thank you for taking the time to research a proposed solution for me. I am really sorry if it came across as I had wasted your time. I only have made two posts on this website, the other of which I followed your advice word for word (you can see it in my post history)

I posted in two places the same thing (here and MSE) because I thought there was some time pressure and did not know how long replies would take so tried to cast my net out wider in the case that one responded faster than the other.

I read your reply in full and although much of the technical jargon was a bit over my head I was very happy to send that. However, on the MSE sticky there was a suggestion that before any of these angles it would just be easiest to contact the retailer first which is the least threatening. Hence, I picked this option as it had the least friction.

I am sorry!

I appreciate your insight and willingness to help. Now the advice has been suggested not to speak further with DCBL so I will not send the letter anymore and I will wait for the letter of claim and come back here.
« Last Edit: November 05, 2025, 12:43:11 pm by joebloggs90 »
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Apology accepted. Thank you.

I still advise you to send the formal complaint as drafted. Depending on their response, you will then escalate to formal complaints to the BPA and the DVLA.
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Thank you, will do.
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