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Hi,
I received CCJ about parking charge from February 2025. Keeping story short... due to some family events I kept ignoring all letters from DCBL and considering I paid a penalty on time I thought this is a basic misunderstanding.
06/02/2025 - date of contravention
18/02/2025 - paid G24 Ltd (received a confirmation and all reference numbers are matching)

Then after that I've got 2-3 DCBL/DCBLegal letters and then CCJ from 29/06/2025 as per picture. I called them and the guy said there is nothing he can do as G24 Ltd referred to them as it was unpaid. The "funny" thing is that I genuinely paid them, so defo G24 didn't record this somehow. Looks like because I received already letter from court the only thing is to defend it now, am I right? Or still should I call DCBL and demand to remove court case base on the payment confirmation?


Thanks

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Re: G24 Ltd PCN / CCJ – Exceeding stay duration – Homebase, Bishop
« Reply #1 on: »
“CCJ” stands for County Court Judgement, this is a claim form which only leads to a CCJ if you ignore it or if you contest it and lose. Even in the latter case, the judgement is expunged if paid within 30 days and has no negative impact on your credit ability if so.

Re: G24 Ltd PCN / CCJ – Exceeding stay duration – Homebase, Bishop
« Reply #2 on: »
Thanks for quick reply,however I'm still not sure what's the best to do now? Should I contest it? I found other threads about similar offence, just not sure if I can reuse the same forms or I should try talk to DCBLegal again that I paid for the original PCN.

Re: G24 Ltd PCN / CCJ – Exceeding stay duration – Homebase, Bishop
« Reply #3 on: »
If you follow the process and put up a defence then the case will be discontinued before DCB Legal need to pay the court fee, it’s their modus operandi.
Your defence being that the claim is denied because you paid the original invoice and have proof of having done so.
The normal process requires you to file a defence, then a N180 form to ensure that a court hearing in person at your local court is established, but it won’t actually come to pass because DCB Legal will give up.
Common sense would be that you could get G24 to call it off now, but don’t call them (or anyone), put it in writing by email or post. Deal with the organ grinder, not the useless bulk brainless legal people.
« Last Edit: August 05, 2025, 04:16:15 pm by jfollows »

Re: G24 Ltd PCN / CCJ – Exceeding stay duration – Homebase, Bishop
« Reply #4 on: »
With an issue date of 29th July you have until 4pm on Monday 18th August to submit your defence. If you submit an Acknowledgement of Service (AoS) before then, you would then have until 4pm on Monday 1st September to submit your defence.

You only need to submit an AoS if you need extra time to prepare your defence. If you want to submit an AoS then follow the instructions in this linked PDF:

https://www.dropbox.com/s/xvqu3bask5m0zir/money-claim-online-How-to-Acknowledge.pdf?dl=0

Until very recently, we never advised using the MCOL to submit a defence. However, due to recent systemic failures within the CNBC, we feel that it is safer to now submit a short defence using MCOL as it is instantly submitted and entered into the "system". Whilst it will deny the use of some formatting or inclusion of transcripts etc. these can always be included with the Witness Statement (WS) later, if it ever progresses that far.

You will need to copy and paste it into the defence text box on MCOL. It has been checked to make sure that it will fit into the 65 characters per line and 122 lines limit.

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1. The Defendant denies the claim in its entirety. The Defendant
asserts that there is no liability to the Claimant and that no
debt is owed. The claim is without merit and does not adequately
disclose any comprehensible cause of action.

2. There is a lack of precise detail in the Particulars of Claim
(PoC) in respect of the factual and legal allegations made
against the Defendant such that the PoC do not adequately comply
with CPR 16.4.

3. The Defendant is unable to plead properly to the PoC because:

(a) The contract referred to is not detailed or attached to the
PoC in accordance with CPR PD 16.7.3(1);

(b) The PoC do not state the exact wording of the clause
(or clauses) of the terms and conditions of the contract (or
contracts) which is/are relied on;

(c) The PoC do not adequately set out the reason (or reasons)
why the claimant asserts the defendant has breached the contract
(or contracts);

(d) The PoC do not state with sufficient particularity exactly
where the breach occurred, the exact time when the breach
occurred and how long it is alleged that the vehicle was parked
before the parking charge was allegedly incurred;

(e) The PoC do not state precisely how the sum claimed is
calculated, including the basis for any statutory interest,
damages, or other charges;

(f) The PoC do not state what proportion of the claim is the
parking charge and what proportion is damages;

(g) The PoC do not provide clarity on whether the Defendant is
sued as the driver or the keeper of the vehicle, as the claimant
cannot plead alternative causes of action without specificity.

4. The Defendant submits that courts have previously struck out
similar claims of their own initiative for failure to adequately
comply with CPR 16.4, particularly where the Particulars of
Claim failed to specify the contractual terms relied upon or
explain the alleged breach with sufficient clarity.

5. In comparable cases involving modest sums, judges have found
that requiring further case management steps would be
disproportionate and contrary to the overriding objective.
Accordingly, strike-out was deemed appropriate. The Defendant
submits that the same reasoning applies in this case and invites
the court to adopt a similar approach by striking out the claim
due to the Claimant’s failure to adequately comply with
CPR 16.4, rather than permitting an amendment. The Defendant
proposes that the following Order be made:

Draft Order:

Of the Court's own initiative and upon reading the particulars
of claim and the defence.

AND the court being of the view that the particulars of claim
do not adequately comply with CPR 16.4(1)(a) because:
(a) they do not set out the exact wording of the clause
(or clauses) of the terms and conditions of the contract which
is (or are) relied on; and
(b) they do not adequately set out the reason (or reasons) why
the claimant asserts that the defendant was in breach of
contract.

AND the claimant could have complied with CPR 16.4(1)(a) had it
served separate detailed particulars of claim, as it could have
done pursuant to CPR PD 7C.5.2(2), but chose not to do so.

AND upon the claim being for a very modest sum such that the
court considers it disproportionate and not in accordance with
the overriding objective to allot to this case any further share
of the court's resources by ordering further particulars of
claim and a further defence, each followed by further referrals
to the judge for case management.

ORDER:
1. The claim is struck out.
2. Permission to either party to apply to set aside, vary or
stay this order by application on notice, which must be filed at
this Court not more than 5 days after service of this order,
failing which no such application may be made.
Never argue with stupid people. They will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience” - Mark Twain

Re: G24 Ltd PCN / CCJ – Exceeding stay duration – Homebase, Bishop
« Reply #5 on: »
Thanks for that! All completed and sent online and just received a letter that defence has been received.

Re: G24 Ltd PCN / CCJ – Exceeding stay duration – Homebase, Bishop
« Reply #6 on: »
Hi,
Just received DQ (Form N180) and date till 03 October to reply. Found other responses about filling DQ, just not sure if mine should be different as I have paid to G24 Ltd as per my entry post.
Please advice.

Re: G24 Ltd PCN / CCJ – Exceeding stay duration – Homebase, Bishop
« Reply #7 on: »
I'm assuming you "paid" G24 the charge for the PCN but they have continued to chase you for the money. Have you checked to see whether your original payment actually went through?

You seem unaware that you are being sued for whatever the charge is they are chasing you. You have defended the claim and eventually this will all go away when the claim is either struck out or discontinued.

For now, just follow the advice. Having received your own N180 (make sure it is not simply a copy of the claimants N180), do not use the paper form. Ignore all the other forms that came with it. you can discard those. Download your own here and fill it in on your computer. You sign it by simply typing your full name in the signature box.

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/media/673341e779e9143625613543/N180_1124.pdf

Here are the answers to some of the less obvious questions:

• The name of the court is "Civil National Business Centre".

• To be completed by "Your full name" and you are the "Defendant".

• C1: "YES"

• D1: "NO". Reason: "I wish to question the Claimant about their evidence at a hearing in person and to expose omissions and any misleading or incorrect evidence or assertions.
Given the Claimant is a firm who complete cut & paste parking case paperwork for a living, having this case heard solely on papers would appear to put the Claimant at an unfair advantage, especially as they would no doubt prefer the Defendant not to have the opportunity to expose the issues in the Claimants template submissions or speak as the only true witness to events in question
.."

• F1: Whichever is your nearest county court. Use this to find it: https://www.find-court-tribunal.service.gov.uk/search-option

• F3: "1".

• Sign the form by simply typing your full name for the signature.

When you have completed the form, attach it to a single email addressed to both dq.cnbc@justice.gov.uk and info@dcblegal.co.uk and CC in yourself. Make sure that the claim number is in the subject field of the email.
Never argue with stupid people. They will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience” - Mark Twain

Re: G24 Ltd PCN / CCJ – Exceeding stay duration – Homebase, Bishop
« Reply #8 on: »
Hi,
Regarding G24 and payment... I've got an email confirmation and it's taken from my bank account. I've called DCBLegal about this when I've got letter from the court but in their words it's 2 late as it was already allocated to the court etc. I have tried to talk to someone more competent but couldn't pass 1st line of the support (I gave up explaining this to their support as I knew I need to reply to the court case anyway). To be honest it's a bit my fault as English is not my first language and I mistranslated an email I've received at early days of this case.

More or less, considering that I've paid and I've got a proof, should I prepare differently for mediation call allocated in November? I've found few other threads, so can follow the same structure, however wondering if I should do this a differently?

Thanks

Re: G24 Ltd PCN / CCJ – Exceeding stay duration – Homebase, Bishop
« Reply #9 on: »
You never, ever, 'call' these people! A phone call is not worth the paper it isn't written on should you need to revert back to anything said!

Can we please clarify how much did you pay? How much is the claim for? Show us the Particulars of Claim (PoC).

If you have proof of having paid the PCN in full, then send the following email to DCB Legal at info@dcblegal.co.uk and CC yourself:

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Re: G24 Ltd v [Defendant] – Claim no. [xxxxx]

Dear Sirs,

The alleged parking charge dated 06/02/2025 was paid in full on 18/02/2025. Enclosed/attached are:
• Bank statement extract (payer: [name], payee: G24 Ltd, date 18/02/2025, amount £[ ], reference [xxxxxxxx])
• G24 payment confirmation/receipt showing the same reference.

Your client’s claim is therefore hopeless. Please confirm by return that the claim will be discontinued.

Failing discontinuance within 7 days, the Defendant will apply for strike-out under CPR 3.4(2)(a)/(b) and seek costs under CPR 27.14(2)(g) for unreasonable conduct.

Yours faithfully,

[full name]
Never argue with stupid people. They will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience” - Mark Twain

Re: G24 Ltd PCN / CCJ – Exceeding stay duration – Homebase, Bishop
« Reply #10 on: »
Hello,
Sent the message to them as per advice. However day 10th and no reply, so looks like the mediation appointment is going ahead next week.

Regarding payment... it was £60 (or £100 after 2 weeks) and managed to pay on 12th day.
amount claimed: £175.76
court fee: £35
legal representative's costs: £50
total claim: £260.76

Regarding mediation appointment, should I mention this during a call or ignore it?


Thanks
 

Re: G24 Ltd PCN / CCJ – Exceeding stay duration – Homebase, Bishop
« Reply #11 on: »
For the mediation call, the only requirement is for you "attend" the call. It is not part of the judicial process and no judge is involved. SO you DO NOT discuss anything!!!

This is what I advise you to say when you receive the call from the mediator:

Before I set out my position, please confirm from the claimant’s side:

• the full name of the person attending for them;
• their role/position at their firm; and
• whether they hold written authority to negotiate and settle today.

Please relay that back to me before we continue.

After the mediator calls back...

If identified and authority confirmed:

Thank you. I’m content to proceed on that basis. My settlement offer is £0, or I invite the claimant to discontinue with no order as to costs.

If no/unclear authority:

Please record that the claimant’s attendee has not confirmed settlement authority. My position remains that liability is denied and my offer is £0, subject to prompt approval by an authorised person if they choose to discontinue.

If the mediator probes your defence:

In what capacity are you asking that question? Are you legally trained?  If not, please refrain from offering opinions. I will be reporting any attempt to do so as inappropriate.”

All you need to know is the name and the position of the person acting for the claimant and report that back to us. It will be over within minutes. Complete waste of time otherwise.
Never argue with stupid people. They will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience” - Mark Twain

Re: G24 Ltd PCN / CCJ – Exceeding stay duration – Homebase, Bishop
« Reply #12 on: »
Hi,
After mediation call I received that in December, 15th, while I was away. Base on some other threads/cases I just need to wait, right?
I did one thing right as case was transferred to my closest town :)
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Notice of Transfer of Proceedings
[Details of the case, etc.]

To all parties

This claim has been transferred to the County Court at <TOWN> for allocation. On receipt, the file will be referred
to a procedural judge who will allocate the claim to track and give case management directions. Details of the
judge's decision will be sent to you in a notice of allocation.


P.S. Worth to mention that the mediator on the call said that there is a long wait in courts. TBH, I wish I recorded the phone call as he sounded like he wanted to convince me to settle.
It was between these lines "You might as well settle as you can wait even 1 year before court case can be allocated". At the time I wasn't impressed, however didn't question his competence to decide what's better for me. I was more worrying to say that my counter offer is £0.

Thanks