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Euro Car Parks - No valid ticket/permit - Dundee City Quay
« on: November 08, 2024, 09:00:53 pm »
The driver was feeling unwell so decided it was best to pull off the main carriageway at the next turning, not realising that this was apparently a car park (the area is continuous with the surrounding streets without hugely clear separation). The driver found a space to pull over, did so, sat in the car and got water for 20 minutes before pulling away to continue the journey without leaving the vehicle. On Nov 8th, I received this penalty as the registered keeper through the post.

Here's a link to the area on Google Maps: https://maps.app.goo.gl/Hca59q9948jkFsUXA

Here's photos of the letter, entrance, place where the driver parked (with view of wall with no parking charge notice), as well as a photo of the notices scattered elsewhere in the car park.






Thanks in advance! Any advice would be greatly appreciated

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Re: Euro Car Parks - No valid ticket/permit - Dundee City Quay
« Reply #1 on: November 09, 2024, 02:38:58 pm »
It's Scotland! You can safely ignore it. ECP have no idea who the driver is unless the Keeper (recipient of the Notice to Keeper [NtK]) tells them. If they don't know who the driver is, how do you think they'll be able to do anything?

For now, there is no Keeper liability in Scotland. There is no legal obligation on the Keeper to identify the driver to an unregulated private parking company. They are not allowed to infer or assume that the Keeper must also be the driver.

Do not try and appeal it. Just ignore it and also ignore all subsequent reminders and debt collector letters. Debt collectors are powerless and can safely be ignored. Use any letters from them as kindling or to line the bottom of a cat litter tray. We don't need to know about any that you receive. Never, ever, ever try and contact a useless debt collector.

Even if there was keeper liability in Scotland, it is doubtful that they would ever try and recover the charge in the simple procedure in the Scottish courts because they cannot recover any costs for a claim under £300. It simply is not worth their while.

They work on the principle that most of their victims a re low-hanging fruit on the gullible tree and have no idea of the law, their rights or the process. Sadly, most recipients of these PCNs, simply pay up, usually because of the "mugs discount".

Anyone receiving advice on here doesn't pay a penny to ECP, even if they are in England or Wales. South of the border, they would eventually issue a county court claim but as long as it is defended, they will eventually discontinue.

So, get on with your life and ignore all correspondence about this, especially the debt collector letters and they will eventually move on to even lower-hanging fruit.
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