Author Topic: Excel Parking - Wakefield -PCN NTK -providence street - ticket paid - deadline 17/10/2024  (Read 1096 times)

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sorry, forgot to add did not complete and submit the IAS appeal in time.

Those 3 letters are all to it the last being a Letter of claim, dated 18th December 2024 - which to be honest I didn't even fully notice, I just glanced at the page.

You did receive a Letter of Claim (LoC) from DCB Legal (not DCBL) which could have been responded to. You were correct  not to respond anything from the useless DCBL.

Here is the defence and link to the draft order that goes with it. You only need to edit your name and the claim number. You sign the defence by typing your full name for the signature and date it. There is nothing to edit in the draft order.

When you're ready you send both documents as PDF attachments in an email to claimresponses.cnbc@justice.gov.uk and CC in yourself. The claim number must be in the email subject field and in the body of the email just put: "Please find attached the defence and draft order in the matter of Excel Parking Services Ltd v [your full name] Claim no.: [claim number]."

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IN THE COUNTY COURT
Claim No: [Claim Number]

BETWEEN:

Excel Parking Services Ltd


Claimant

- and -

[Defendant's Full Name]


Defendant



DEFENCE

1. The Defendant denies the claim in its entirety. The Defendant asserts that there is no liability to the Claimant and that no debt is owed. The claim is without merit and does not disclose any comprehensible cause of action.

2. There is a lack of precise detail in the Particulars of Claim (PoC) in respect of the factual and legal allegations made against the Defendant such that the PoC do not comply with CPR 16.4.

3. The Defendant is unable to plead properly to the PoC because:

(a) The contract referred to is not detailed or attached to the PoC in accordance with CPR PD 16(7.5);

(b) The PoC do not state the exact wording of the clause (or clauses) of the terms and conditions of the contract (or contracts) which is/are relied on;

(c) The PoC do not state with sufficient particularity exactly where the breach occurred, the exact time when the breach occurred and how long it is alleged that the vehicle was parked before the parking charge was allegedly incurred;

(d) The PoC do not state exactly how the sum claimed is calculated, including the basis for any statutory interest, damages, or other charges;

(e) The PoC do not state what proportion of the claim is the parking charge and what proportion is damages;

(f) The PoC do not provide clarity on whether the Defendant is sued as the driver or the keeper of the vehicle, as the claimant cannot plead alternative causes of action without specificity.

4. The claimant, who is legally represented, could have complied with CPR 16.4 had it served separate detailed Particulars of Claim [as it could have done pursuant to CPR PD7C.5.2(2)] but it chose not to do that.

5. The Defendant submits that as the claim is for a very modest sum, the court should consider it disproportionate and not in accordance with the overriding objective to allot to this case any further share of the court resources by ordering further PoC and a further defence, each of which will be followed further referrals to the judge for case management.

6. The correct course of action is for the court to strike out the claim due to the legally represented Claimant's clear and material failure to comply with CPR 16.4. The rules exist to ensure fairness, and the Claimant's non-compliance cannot be excused. The Defendant asserts that "rules are rules," and the Claimant has failed to follow them.

7. However, in the unlikely event that the court does not agree to strike out the claim for the Claimants failure to comply with CPR 16.4, the Defendant has attached to this defence a copy of an order made at another court which the allocating judge ought to make at this stage so that the Defendant can then know and understand the case which they face and can then respond properly to the claim.

Statement of truth

I believe that the facts stated in this Defence are true. I understand that proceedings for contempt of court may be brought against anyone who makes, or causes to be made, a false statement in a document verified by a statement of truth without an honest belief in its truth.

Signed:


Date:

Draft Order for the defence
Never argue with stupid people. They will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience” - Mark Twain

thank you for your response and help.

Email received from - Hamish Hyland dated today 20th March 2025

Litigation support Associate

DCB Legal Ltd

Good morning


Having reviewed the content of your defence, we write to inform you that our client intends to proceed with the claim.

 

In due course, the Court will direct both parties to each file a directions questionnaire. In preparation for that, please find attached a copy of the Claimant's, which we confirm has been filed with the Court.

 

Without Prejudice to the above, in order to assist the Court in achieving its overriding objective, our client may be prepared to settle this case - in the event you wish to discuss settlement, please call us on 0203 434 0433 within 7 days and make immediate reference to this correspondence.

 

If you have provided an email address within your Defence, we intend to use it for service of documents (usually in PDF format) hereon in pursuant to PD 6A (4.1)(2)(c). Please advise whether there are any limitations to this (for example, the format in which documents are to be sent and the maximum size of attachments that may be received). Unless you advise otherwise, we will assume not.


Kind Regards, 

The questionnaire is attached to the email.

How do I attach this to the thread? Is it upload to Imgur?

I am still going to defend this


That is a boilerplate response. Means nothing in the greater scheme of things. We don't need to see their copy of their N180DQ.

You can check your MCOL history to see if your DQ has been sent yet. If it has, no need to wait for the letter. Simply follow this advice for yours:

Having received your own N180 (make sure it is not simply a copy of the claimants N180), do not use the paper form. Ignore all the other forms that came with it. you can discard those. Download your own here and fill it in on your computer. You sign it by simply typing your full name in the signature box.

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/media/673341e779e9143625613543/N180_1124.pdf

Here are the answers to some of the less obvious questions:

• The name of the court is "Civil National Business Centre".

• To be completed by "Your full name" and you are the "Defendant".

• C1: "YES"

• D1: "NO". Reason: "I wish to question the Claimant about their evidence at a hearing in person and to expose omissions and any misleading or incorrect evidence or assertions.
Given the Claimant is a firm who complete cut & paste parking case paperwork for a living, having this case heard solely on papers would appear to put the Claimant at an unfair advantage, especially as they would no doubt prefer the Defendant not to have the opportunity to expose the issues in the Claimants template submissions or speak as the only true witness to events in question
.."

• F1: Whichever is your nearest county court. Use this to find it: https://www.find-court-tribunal.service.gov.uk/search-option

• F3: "1".

• Sign the form by simply typing your full name for the signature.

When you have completed the form, attach it to a single email addressed to both dq.cnbc@justice.gov.uk and info@dcblegal.co.uk and CC in yourself. Make sure that the claim number is in the subject field of the email.
Never argue with stupid people. They will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience” - Mark Twain

thank you for this reply. Just, checked and nothing new on the MCOL claim history.
I will periodically check it.
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Just, when I was hoping that the claim would be discontinued, I have received an email from HM Courts & Tribunals Service with the date for mediation for 11th June 2025 from 13:30 with the documents attached regarding what happens at the mediation appointment and the Delegation of authority pdf.
I was also hoping that since they first claimed I not purchased a ticket, which I bought by phone and so you don't get a physical ticket, I sent them my bank screenshot that they would drop it as per the article in The Telegraph.

Reported on 12 February 2025, it states that "Motorists will have more time to pay for car parking as the controversial five-minute rule is scrapped in a rare victory for drivers.

The British Parking Association (BPA) and the International Parking Community (IPC) said drivers should no longer be issued tickets for using privately owned car parks where a fixed camera monitors when cars enter and exit, as long as they pay before they leave.

and goes on to state -
'Andrew Pester, the BPA chief executive, said: “It is a real testament to the [panel] that this change has been implemented so efficiently.'
Private car park users have been ticketed for failing to pay within a certain time – usually five or 10 minutes – after arriving at a car park."


https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2025/02/12/five-minute-parking-rule-scrapped-private-car-parks/


I'm not sure what to put forward in the mediation session, I am not looking to settle!

Stop panicking. Mediation is not part of the judicial process. No judge or lawyers are involved. You only obligation is to "attend" the call. Nothing about the mediation process is relevant to the claim.

All you have to do is offer £0 and it will be over in minutes. Do not discuss your defence with the mediator. The mediator is not a trained legal professional and whatever they think is irrelevant and should they offer an opinion, make a note of what they say and make formal complaint.
Never argue with stupid people. They will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience” - Mark Twain

thank you! I will try not to panic but I am getting really worn with the process, (and my daughter's wedding is a few weeks away so this is not ideal!)
I will try not to give it anymore thought and put it out of my mind for the time being.

A big big thank you.

UPDATE

Mediation went ahead. Paperwork received after mediation to advise that the fee had to be paid by claimant no later than 4pm on 31st July 2025.

There was a court date scheduled for August 20th at 10am.

I booked the day off work and put in a data subject access request for all information relating to my parking at this site for a 2 month period, including all correspondence regarding the 'ticket/fine'.

I had deleted the original email, which claimed I had not purchased a ticket which then turned into not purchasing a ticket within a 10-minute timeframe, and I wanted to be fully prepared for the court date in case it went ahead.
I checked my email this morning, and yesterday an email from DCB Legal was issued at 1pm with the instruction to discontinue the court proceedings.

I would say that the punishment has been the process, but I thank this forum and the good folks that have helped me successfully fight off this most egregious fine.

Thank you all once again


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The only way this will eventually be concluded is after a court claim for debt is filed and they most likely discontinue or you are successful in persuading a judge that you do not owe Excel a debt. Easy enough to do but you have to be aggrieved enough to want to fight this scam.

10 months is about average for these ridiculous claims to be processed. I remind you above, the predicted outcome. Thank you for the update and well done for persevering.
Never argue with stupid people. They will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience” - Mark Twain
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