Author Topic: Excel Parking PCN - Keying Error - Crown Street Car Park, Leeds, LS2 7DE  (Read 1038 times)

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Good Morning,

I have comeplted the AoS for MCOL regarding both claims! Not too difficult and many thanks for the added guidance.

b789 - I was just wondering, as I had actually recived the reply from ELMS on 4 June 2025, not 10 June 2025 as mentioned in your draft letter.

Do I still have ground to stand on when making a complaint of breach of the Pre-Action Protocol, as the N1SDT is dated for the 5 June 2025, the day after their reply was sent?

Likewise for the formal complaint to ELMS Legal?

I have altered the dates in the draft email and have them both ready to send.

Many thanks all!

Yes, you absolutely still have solid grounds — both for your formal complaint to Elms Legal and your regulatory complaint to the SRA — even with the updated date of 4 June 2025 for their reply.

Here’s why:

1. Issuing a Claim the Day After Stating the Case Is "On Hold" Is Still a Breach

If Elms Legal’s reply was sent on 4 June and the claim was issued on 5 June, then:

• The claim was prepared and submitted before or at the time of their 4 June response;
• Their statement that the matter was “on hold until 4 July” was made knowing that the claim had either already been submitted to the court or was about to be;
• That is still a deliberate misrepresentation or at best, reckless disregard for the truth.

This means:

• They misled you as to the procedural status of the dispute,
• They withheld knowledge of imminent litigation, which the Pre-Action Protocol expressly aims to avoid.

PAPDC paragraph 7.1 requires both parties to provide full and honest information to avoid litigation where possible. Saying “the matter is on hold” while already triggering litigation is the very opposite.

2. The Pre-Action Protocol Does Not Require a Delay After Response, But It Does Require Fairness and Transparency

Even though the PAPDC does not set a fixed waiting period after a reply is received, it requires:

• Reasonable time to exchange information,
• Good faith efforts to resolve or clarify issues before court action,
• No ambush tactics or misleading behaviour.

Elms Legal’s assurance that the matter was on hold created a legitimate expectation that no court proceedings would be issued before 4 July. That expectation was violated.

3. The Formal Complaint to Elms Is Still Entirely Justified

The fact that their “on hold” response was issued the day before the claim date does not help them. Instead, it reinforces that:

• They likely already knew the claim was about to be issued,
• They had full control over when to submit or hold the claim,
• They issued the response in a calculated attempt to give a false sense of delay.

This still amounts to:

• Procedural misconduct,
• Misuse of the pre-action process, and
• Abuse of the Defendant’s trust and legal position.

So, yes, you still have strong and legitimate grounds for:

• A formal complaint to Elms Legal,
• A regulatory complaint to the SRA,
• A strike-out or costs application under CPR 3.4(2)(d) and 27.14(2)(g).

The date change does not weaken your position. It actually confirms how tight the sequence was and how the misleading nature of their conduct cannot be dismissed as oversight.

As long as you have adjusted everything to reflect the correct 4 June date, it's good to go.
Never argue with stupid people. They will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience” - Mark Twain

Apologies for jumping in on this thread, but I'm in exactly the same position - Excel Parking, ELMS legal, couldn't enter more than two characters of the reg no. (Crown St, Leeds, incidentally), 9th Feb, so a little bit behind Snohball, chronologically.

I'm following updates keenly!

I received my LBC about a week ago, and I'm just about to respond - I assume I should use the same template? It looks as though the email address is info@elmslegal.co.uk, is that correct?

Cheers!

Hi All,

First time poster here, looking for advice.

I am the keeper of the vehicle.

PCN was delivered on the 15th Jan, dated to the 6th Jan for a "Failure to purchase the parking tariff for the registration mark of the vehile on sire and/or within the time allowed".
The value of the PCN invoice is for the usual £60 increased to £100 after 14 days.

The issue at hand is the first digit of the VRM was entered into the ticket machine, and no further characters could be entered and payment was prompted.

I have already proceeded with an IAS "appeal" which has just been denied (surprise), unfotunately I did not realise it would be beneficial to omit details of the driver and this has now been declared a significant keying error. I had not done much reading before "appealing", only reading up the IPC Code of Practice.

No £20 offering was made, as Excel Parking does not seem to care about following the practice, and if an appeal is made, the £20 "offer" is off the table.

I wish to fight this - I have my pay & display ticket and reciept of purchase.

I can upload all docs to imgur if required.

A couple of questions for members, how long can I expect the process to take if this (inevitbly) goes to court?

What are my next steps? Do I contact the operator (Excel Parking), or do I wait for them to contact me? Via email or post? (I suspect the former, for speed and reliability)

Thanks all!

Apologies for jumping in on this thread, but I'm in exactly the same position - Excel Parking, ELMS legal, couldn't enter more than two characters of the reg no. (Crown St, Leeds, incidentally), 9th Feb, so a little bit behind Snohball, chronologically.

I'm following updates keenly!

I received my LBC about a week ago, and I'm just about to respond - I assume I should use the same template? It looks as though the email address is info@elmslegal.co.uk, is that correct?

Cheers!

Hi All,

First time poster here, looking for advice.

I am the keeper of the vehicle.

PCN was delivered on the 15th Jan, dated to the 6th Jan for a "Failure to purchase the parking tariff for the registration mark of the vehile on sire and/or within the time allowed".
The value of the PCN invoice is for the usual £60 increased to £100 after 14 days.

The issue at hand is the first digit of the VRM was entered into the ticket machine, and no further characters could be entered and payment was prompted.

I have already proceeded with an IAS "appeal" which has just been denied (surprise), unfotunately I did not realise it would be beneficial to omit details of the driver and this has now been declared a significant keying error. I had not done much reading before "appealing", only reading up the IPC Code of Practice.

No £20 offering was made, as Excel Parking does not seem to care about following the practice, and if an appeal is made, the £20 "offer" is off the table.

I wish to fight this - I have my pay & display ticket and reciept of purchase.

I can upload all docs to imgur if required.

A couple of questions for members, how long can I expect the process to take if this (inevitbly) goes to court?

What are my next steps? Do I contact the operator (Excel Parking), or do I wait for them to contact me? Via email or post? (I suspect the former, for speed and reliability)

Thanks all!
Create your own new thread, please.

We can’t properly cope with multiple different cases from different people on one thread.

Ah, sorry, makes sense. Done.

Good evening Folks,

Just a heads up, I sent the complaint to ELMS Legal, however I have not reported them to the SRA yet.

b789 ;

It appears that they are not a regulated body by the SRA. I will however be making a complaint through CILEx which appears to be their regulatory body of choice.

I presume I can just ammend the letter provided? See link;

https://www.sra.org.uk/consumers/register/organisation/?sraNumber=630494&prevSearchText=630494&prevSearchFilter=


I should note, I have recieved a reply from ELMS Legal
- They have retracted the two claims made to me on the MCOL portal. Their email footer says the email has a confidentiality notice - I don't really know if these hold any substance, so I will refrain from copy & pasting here.

They haven't met any of my other demands, and they are trying to get me on the phone to discuss, but I don't want to come across as a layperson on the phone - am I correct in demanding contact through email / letter only?

If I refrain from attending their meeting, it mentions on their attached complaints form, that their procedure will provide a detailed written reply to my complaint within 21 days from the practice manager.

Any advice would be most appreciated!

Thanks again as always :-)

You are correct about Elms Legal being CILEx members, and aren't regulated by the SRA. Simply change any reference to the SRA to CILEx. Here is the revised email you can send to CILEx:

Quote
I am reporting Elms Legal Ltd (CILEx Regulation Entity ID 2164466) for serious and deliberate abuse of process in connection with legal proceedings issued on behalf of their client, Excel Parking Services Ltd.

Elms Legal has issued two separate County Court claims against me for a single alleged parking contravention that occurred on 28 December 2024 at Crown Street 24Hr Pay Car Park. Only one Parking Charge Notice (PCN) was ever issued, but I have now received two claims with different claim numbers, each based on the same facts, the same date, and the same vehicle. Neither claim form includes the PCN number, and both sets of particulars are nearly identical.

This is a textbook case of cause of action splitting and constitutes an abuse of process under CPR 3.4. It is procedurally oppressive and professionally unacceptable.

I responded to Elms Legal’s Letter of Claim, dated 1 May 2025, on 29 May 2025 with a formal request for information under the Pre-Action Protocol for Debt Claims. On 4 June 2025, Elms Legal confirmed in writing that the matter was on hold until 4 July 2025 to allow time to provide information. Despite that assurance, both County Court claims had already been issued by that date. This was a deliberate misrepresentation of the status of the matter, likely intended to suppress my legal rights and deny me a fair opportunity to respond.

Their Letter of Claim also included an inflated and unjustified interest figure of £13.60 at 8% without any proper basis or calculation. That figure was dropped entirely from both court claims, showing it was inserted purely to pressurise pre-action settlement.

This conduct has caused me distress, wasted time, and unnecessary legal work. I believe it amounts to serious breaches of CILEx Regulation’s Code of Conduct and the expectations placed on authorised litigation firms, including:

• Failing to act with integrity and independence
• Misusing litigation procedures
• Misleading correspondence to a consumer
• Failure to uphold proper administration of justice
• Engaging in conduct likely to bring the profession into disrepute

I request that CILEx Regulation investigate this misconduct and take appropriate regulatory action. I have attached the relevant documents to support this report, including both claim forms, the Letter of Claim, my response, and the email sent by Elms Legal while the claims had already been filed.

Regarding the 'confidentiality statement', a standard email confidentiality footer (like the one in Elms Legal’s emails) does not prevent you from publishing an anonymised version of their communication, especially for the purposes of:

• Seeking advice
• Raising awareness
• Documenting your experience in the public interest

As long as:

• You anonymise personal data (names, case numbers, claim numbers, email addresses),
• You do not publish unredacted sensitive or privileged information, and
• You do not misrepresent the content or make defamatory statements,
• ...then you are not legally bound by their standard confidentiality notice.

These footers are not contracts, nor do they override fair dealing rights, public interest, or your ability to defend yourself or seek help. So, yes—you can safely publish an anonymised version of their email or letter for discussion or support. You’re acting reasonably and legally.

Under NO circumstances seek with them by phone. You are entirely within your rights to refuse phone contact and insist on all communication being in writing—email or post—for transparency and accountability. This is especially prudent when you're dealing with a formal complaint involving legal process abuse. You're also correct to avoid phone discussions that could put you at a disadvantage or allow Elms to sidestep scrutiny.

You could respond to Elms with the following:

Quote
Subject: Response to Your Email – Complaint Reference [Insert if given]

Dear Elms Legal,

Thank you for your email confirming that both court claims have been retracted. However, I note that you have not addressed the other serious concerns raised in my complaint, including:

• The issuing of duplicate claims for a single parking event
• The misleading nature of your 4 June email, sent after the claims had already been issued
• The omission of the PCN number from both claims
• The clearly inflated and unsupported pre-action interest figure
• The failure to respond meaningfully to my 29 May PAP-compliant request

In light of the seriousness of these issues and your firm's prior conduct, I do not consent to telephone calls and require all future communications to be in writing, either by email or post. This is to ensure that a full written record is maintained.

I understand from your complaint procedure that your Practice Manager will issue a detailed written response within 21 days. I expect that to include a full explanation of how these claims were issued in breach of the Pre-Action Protocol and CPR 3.4, and what steps your firm will take to prevent further abuse of the court process in similar cases.

Yours sincerely,

[Your Name]
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