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Afternoon. Was hoping I wouldn’t be back so soon, but here we are….

My father has received the attached NtK for overstaying the maximum time period in a Sainsbury’s fuel station.

The driver was on their way to work in an unfamiliar area and needed to fill up. On getting to Sainsbury’s the driver saw that they didn’t open until 6am but as staff had arrived and were opening up, pulled into the forecourt to wait.

The driver then filled up, paid and left by 6.13am. Receipt also attached.

My father then received the PCN today. We now believe there is a 20 minute maximum waiting period.

Looking at other threads I decided to approach Sainsbury’s first in the hope they’d cancel the PCN. Unfortunately the store in question is over a hundred mile round trip, so going in person isn’t an option so I telephoned (twice) instead asking to speak to the manager. On both occasions, despite giving different reasons for my call (to get past switchboard), they refused to put me through and said the matter had to be dealt with via Euro Car Parks.

I then sent a DM via Twitter in the hope that would yield a better result, but was once again told the only option was to engage with Euro Car Parks.

Is the notice PoFA compliant / is there other methods to get it cancelled?

My father is elderly (and disabled) so I am assisting him with this - and having tried to get the matter resolved with Sainsbury’s, to no avail, hope someone here can help

If the notice is watertight then I guess I will have to make the round trip to the store in person to speak to the manager

Thanks in advance

Chip

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« Last Edit: September 06, 2025, 05:41:40 pm by Chip »

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If Sainsbury’s won’t do anything, then just sit tight.
Ignore all letters from debt collectors.
Come back when you get a Letter of Claim.
You will have to defend the case with assistance here, but it won’t see the inside of a court. It’s clearly ludicrous.
Act in you father’s name if he agrees.

This is ECP’s sole source of income so they only care about extracting money.

Just tell Sainsbury’s they will no longer be getting your business.
« Last Edit: September 06, 2025, 05:50:22 pm by jfollows »

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Thanks for the swift reply! I was hoping that was the case but thought it prudent to start a thread now for when things happen further down the line.

My father is fine with me acting in his name and, believe me, Sainsbury’s have lost at least 4 regular customers out of principle!

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Actually, thinking about it, it can’t be a maximum stay of 20 minutes as the ANPR also covers the main supermarket and there is no way they’d only allow 20 mins max in the car park?

But we’ll sit tight as suggested and I’ll update as and when

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You aim for the top of the Sainsbury’s management food chain. Never, ever try and and rely on a phone call. It’s not worth the paper it isn’t written on. You make a formal complaint by email to the CEO and let them delegate it to one of their minions who can do something about it.

However, if Plan A does not bear fruit, you will never pay a penny to ECP if you follow the advice you receive here. Do not do nothing, as that is the cheap way out for ECP. You first appeal to ECP and when that is rejected, you appeal to POPLA, which will cost ECP £30.

When POPLA reject the appeal, you can then safely ignore all useless debt recovery letters. Debt collectors are powerless to actually do anything except to try and persuade the low-hanging fruit on the gullible tree to pay up out of ignorance and fear.

Eventually, you (your father as the Keeper) will receive a Letter of Claim (LoC) issued by DCB Legal. In due course, they will issue a county court claim which is easily defended using our template defence. After many months, I can tell you with greater than 99.9% certainty, they will discontinue before they are required to pay the £27 trial fee, if the claim is not struck out first.

Just do a search of the forum for ECP.

Here is the appeal that should be submitted in your father’s name. There is no legal obligation on the known keeper (the recipient of the Notice to Keeper (NtK)) to reveal the identity of the unknown driver and no inference or assumptions can be made.

The NtK is not compliant with all the requirements of PoFA which means that if the unknown driver is not identified, they cannot transfer liability for the charge from the unknown driver to the known keeper.

Use the following as your appeal. No need to embellish or remove anything from it:

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I am the keeper of the vehicle and I dispute your 'parking charge'. I deny any liability or contractual agreement and I will be making a complaint about your predatory conduct to your client landowner.

As your Notice to Keeper (NtK) does not fully comply with ALL the requirements of PoFA 2012, you are unable to hold the keeper of the vehicle liable for the charge. Partial or even substantial compliance is not sufficient. There will be no admission as to who was driving and no inference or assumptions can be drawn. ECP has relied on contract law allegations of breach against the driver only.

The registered keeper cannot be presumed or inferred to have been the driver, nor pursued under some twisted interpretation of the law of agency. Your NtK can only hold the driver liable. ECP have no hope at POPLA, so you are urged to save us both a complete waste of time and cancel the PCN.

Come back when that is rejected, if Sainsbury’s haven’t cancelled it first. You can also get your local media interested as besides losing you and your family members as customers, they really don’t like negative publicity where their customers are invoiced by an unregulated private parking firm for £100 for simply being a customer. Point out that their managers are confused about who is the Monkey and who is the Organ Grinder in their contractual relationship with ECP.
Never argue with stupid people. They will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience” - Mark Twain

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Thank you @b789 I will do as suggested and will keep you posted.

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PCN has been cancelled. Thanks again!

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Can you tell us what happened to lead to that cancellation? Did Sainsburys intervene...?

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I contacted the CEO’s office and one of his staff emailed back this morning to confirm it had been cancelled.
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