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Euro Car Parks - Notice to Keeper - Swallow Street Birmingham
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Hello,
POsting on behalf of a family member. The driver forgot to click confirm on the parking screen and pay for parking.

I understand as this this ticket is issued under POFLA the driver is liable for the PCN - is this correct?

https://ibb.co/jkxfJHVL
https://ibb.co/ztggxhN

Would anyone be able to advise of any irregularities or how best to proceed with this PCN?

Thank you.

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Re: Euro Car Parks - Notice to Keeper - Swallow Street Birmingham
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Please see my draft letter. It turns out parking was in fact paid for!

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To whom it may concern,
I am the Registered Keeper of this vehicle. I was not the driver.
Chronology of Events
On 15th August 2025 the driver entered the Swallow Street Car Park at 09:25:46, as captured by an ANPR camera.
After considering the parking terms and charge, and downloading the necessary app to purchase parking, the driver purchased parking. Parking was paid for at 09:34, for four hours, as can be seen from the attached receipt.
The driver left returned to the car and left the car park at 13:36:19.
A Parking Charge Notice was issued on the grounds of ‘the vehicle was parked without a valid pay by phone transaction’.
Grounds for Appeal
The driver paid for parking. The time between arrival and purchasing a parking ticket using the RingGo app is less than 10 minutes, which accounts for the time taken to download the necessary app and make payment for the parking session.
The Single Code of Practice, to which Euro Car Parks is a signatory, details in Annex B that a grace period of at least 10 minutes should be allowed. The period between entry at 09:25 and purchase at 09:34 is within this permitted time.
The ticket expired at 13:34, and the vehicle exited at 13:36. The time between the end parking and leaving the car park is less than two minutes, again which falls within the grace period.
The driver complied with the terms of parking. The charge is therefore invalid and should not have been issued.
Furthermore, I note that your ‘Notice to Keeper’ is not fully compliant with ALL the requirements of Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, you are unable to hold the keeper of the vehicle liable for the charge. Partial or even substantial compliance is not sufficient. There will be no admission as to who was driving, and no inference or assumptions can be drawn.
In light of the above, I respectfully request that this Parking Charge Notice be cancelled.
Please confirm cancellation of the charge, or alternatively provide a POPLA code so that this matter may be referred to independent adjudication.
Yours faithfully,

Re: Euro Car Parks - Notice to Keeper - Swallow Street Birmingham
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Your references to grace periods are slightly inaccurate. It is one period added to the end of any period of parking, you don't get one at the start and one at the end.

They're essentially charging for a 1 minute overstay, which is arguably rather sharp practice, but the parking company would argue enforcement must start somewhere.

If making the point about the app, I'd reframe that the minimum grade period is insufficient in this case.

It might be better to focus on the PoFA point.

Re: Euro Car Parks - Notice to Keeper - Swallow Street Birmingham
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Thank you for this. I have posted an updated response, which I hope is clearer?

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Grounds for Appeal
Ground 1: The driver paid for parking.
The time between entry to the car park and purchasing a parking ticket using the RingGo app is less than 10 minutes. The Single Code of Practice, to which Euro Car Parks is a signatory, details in Annex B that a grace period of at least 10 minutes should be allowed. The period between entry at 09:25 and purchase at 09:34 is within this permitted time. Given the need to find a space, download an app, register, input card details and purchase a parking session, I would suggest that this grace period is insufficient.
The parking session expired at 13:34, and the vehicle exited at 13:36. The time between the end of the parking and leaving the car park is less than two minutes, again which falls within the grace period. I would note that the time that the driver starts moving the car (i.e. is no longer parked) and the time that the vehicle leave the car park, are not the same and the time taken to move from the parking space and leave the site are not overstaying ‘parking’.
In short, the driver complied with the terms of parking. The charge is therefore invalid and should not have been issued.
Ground 2: The Notice to Keeper is non-compliant with PoFLA.
Furthermore, I note that your ‘Notice to Keeper’ is not fully compliant with ALL the requirements of Protection of Freedoms Act 2012. Partial or even substantial compliance is not sufficient. As the notice is non-compliant, you are unable to hold the keeper of the vehicle liable for the charge. There will be no admission as to who was driving, and no inference or assumptions can be drawn.
In light of the above, I respectfully request that this Parking Charge Notice be cancelled.
Please confirm cancellation of the charge, or alternatively provide a POPLA code so that this matter may be referred to independent adjudication.

Re: Euro Car Parks - Notice to Keeper - Swallow Street Birmingham
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PoFA, not PoFLA.
What’s with the “L”?
https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2012/9/schedule/4
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Re: Euro Car Parks - Notice to Keeper - Swallow Street Birmingham
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I wouldn’t worry too much whether the appeal succeeds or not. If it doesn’t, either initially or at POPLA, it will go through the process of useless debt recovery letters which can be safely ignored and eventually a claim will be issued which, when defended using our advice will eventually be struck out or discontinued.

If your appeals fail, then you will still not have to pay a penny to ECP if you follow the advice.
Never argue with stupid people. They will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience” - Mark Twain

Re: Euro Car Parks - Notice to Keeper - Swallow Street Birmingham
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Parking was paid for at 09:34, for four hours, as can be seen from the attached receipt.

And where's this receipt?

'The vehicle was parked without a valid Pay by Phone transaction'.

Nothing to do with time on site as such, address the allegation which IMO is best done with a receipt which shows that parking rights existed until ***** which was after the time of exit.

Re: Euro Car Parks - Notice to Keeper - Swallow Street Birmingham
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Hello - here is the receipt.

https://ibb.co/4RrKCSK0

R/e PoFA, not PoFL - I confused PoFA wit POPLA! Now updated and correct.

I will submit the appeal tomorrow. Thank you all.

Re: Euro Car Parks - Notice to Keeper - Swallow Street Birmingham
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Hello,

I have today received this notice of rejection.

https://ibb.co/qMjNnrWD

Please advise what next steps would be appropriate? I assume an appeal on the same grounds to PoPLA?

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Yes. There are many examples of POPLA appeals you can use just by searching the forum, especially with this operator. Just use anything.

Do not be surprised if the POPLA appeal is unsuccessful. You will see that eventually, they will issue a county court claim and as long as you defend it with our advice, the claim will never reach a hearing as it will either be struck out or discontinued.
Never argue with stupid people. They will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience” - Mark Twain

Re: Euro Car Parks - Notice to Keeper - Swallow Street Birmingham
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Hello,

I have worked on the following POPLA claim based on the FTLA successful cases and some previously accepted ones from MSE Forums.

https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/dq5tgyemouz949cbuxah6/POPLA-Appeal.pdf?rlkey=cvvce4avdgc4bq5tlpi627g5b&dl=0

Any advice warmly received.

Thanks,


Re: Euro Car Parks - Notice to Keeper - Swallow Street Birmingham
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It's OK. AN old one, lifted from MSE, but adequate. It is unlikely to win at POPLA. However, if it is not successful at POPLA, you do not pay. A POPLA decision is not binding on you.

It will eventually end up being a claim issued through DCB Legal and if you follow the advice you receive here and it is defended, you will never pay a penny to ECP as the claim will be discontinued.
Never argue with stupid people. They will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience” - Mark Twain

Re: Euro Car Parks - Notice to Keeper - Swallow Street Birmingham
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Hello all,

The deadline for ECP to reply to POPLA was yesterday.

They did not reply, and have had a message from POPLA to state that the case has been withdrawn.

Thanks all.

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