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Wolves123321

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Euro car park fine
« on: November 28, 2024, 10:39:47 am »
Hi all. Hirer recieved fine for parking at euro car parks retail park. 4.5 hours parking time between 7.30 and 22.30. Hirer  arrived for work at 7.07 left at 9.36. Before above hours drivers are only permitted to park for 10 minutes. Recieved pcn and on picture of entry reg is not visible at all not even one letter. What is the best course of action for this?
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Re: Euro car park fine
« Reply #1 on: November 28, 2024, 11:51:25 am »
Is that Notice to Keeper (NtK) addressed to you or is it a copy of the one sent to the hire/lease company? It is very important to make the distinction. If the hire/lease company has transferred liability as instructed on the NtK, then ECP has to send you a Notice to Hirer (NtH) in your name.

If it is not addressed to you, you cannot do anything and you need to check with the hire/lease company that they have transferred liability to you, the Hirer as required by PoFA if they want to absolve themselves of any liability.

Otherwise, if it is addressed to the hirer, follow these instructions:

Easy one to defeat... as long as the unknown drivers identity is not revealed. There is no legal obligation on the known hirer (the recipient of the Notice to Hirer (NtH)) to reveal the identity of the unknown driver and no inference or assumptions can be made.

The NtH is not compliant with all the requirements of PoFA which means that if the unknown driver is not identified, they cannot transfer liability for the charge from the unknown driver to the known Hirer.

Use the following as your appeal. No need to embellish or remove anything from it:

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I am the Hirer of the vehicle and I dispute your 'parking charge'. I deny any liability or contractual agreement and I will be making a complaint about your predatory conduct to your client landowner.

As your Notice to Hirer (NtHK) does not fully comply with ALL the requirements of PoFA 2012, you are unable to hold the Hirer of the vehicle liable for the charge. Partial or even substantial compliance is not sufficient. There will be no admission as to who was driving and no inference or assumptions can be drawn. ECP has relied on contract law allegations of breach against the driver only.

The Hirer cannot be presumed or inferred to have been the driver, nor pursued under some twisted interpretation of the law of agency. Your NtH can only hold the driver liable. ECP have no hope at POPLA, so you are urged to save us both a complete waste of time and cancel the PCN.
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Re: Euro car park fine
« Reply #2 on: November 28, 2024, 01:53:26 pm »
It has been recieved by the lease company who will then forward it to drivers company. They always send it out to the fleet manager as a heads up before transferring liability to the company. When it comes through to the company should it then be OK to appeal using your draft but on behalf of the company (have permission to do so)

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Re: Euro car park fine
« Reply #3 on: November 28, 2024, 02:34:17 pm »
Yes. As long as you have your employers authorisation to appeal on behalf of the company.

The NtH will therefore arrive to your fleet manager who must forward it to you so that you can appeal. ECP will screw up the process, as they and every other PPC does, by failing to include the copies of the documents as required by PoFA paragraph 14. This failure to include the necessary documents means that they cannot rely on PoFA to hold the Hirer liable for the alleged breach of contract by the unknown driver.

In 99.99% of PCNs involving a hired/leased vehicle are considered "golden tickets" as long as the drivers identity is not disclosed.
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