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ECP Parking charge- Blackheath station
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hi I received this letter today and I would like to appeal but I thought I would get advice first before I do go ahead. please see letter attached to this post. let me know if I need to add anything else more. Thanks in advance

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Re: ECP Parking charge- Blackheath station
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The rear of the letter you posted, please.

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sorry, here's the back of the letter

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Just appeal ONLY as the Keeper. There is no legal obligation on the known keeper (the recipient of the Notice to Keeper (NtK)) to reveal the identity of the unknown driver and no inference or assumptions can be made.

The location is not "relevant land" for the purposes of PoFA 2012 (for now), which means that if the unknown driver is not identified, they cannot transfer liability for the charge from the unknown driver to the known keeper.

Use the following as your appeal. No need to embellish or remove anything from it:

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I am the registered keeper. ECP cannot hold a registered keeper liable for any alleged contravention on land that is under statutory control. As a matter of fact and law, ECP will be well aware that they cannot use the PoFA provisions because Blackheath Station is not 'relevant land', yet!

If Network Rail Infrastructure Ltd wanted to hold owners or keepers liable under Railway Byelaws, that would be within the landowner's gift and another matter entirely. However, not only is that not pleaded, it is also not legally possible because ECP is not the station owner and your 'parking charge' is not and never attempts to be a penalty. It is created for ECP’s own profit (as opposed to a bylaws penalty that goes to the public purse) and ECP has relied on contract law allegations of breach against the driver only.

The registered keeper cannot be presumed or inferred to have been the driver, nor pursued under some twisted interpretation of the law of agency. Your NtK can only hold the driver liable. ECP have no hope at POPLA, so you are urged to save us both a complete waste of time and cancel the PCN.
Never argue with stupid people. They will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience” - Mark Twain

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Thank you for your letter appeal help. I received a reply on 8th January and they have rejected my appeal and said there's nothing else more I can do. Please see the photos attached. What do I do next now?

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You appeal to POPLA, no hurry, see for example https://www.ftla.uk/private-parking-tickets/ecp-shell-gatwick-alleged-overstay/msg98233/#msg98233

Your argument is the same, that this was not “relevant land” for the purpose of PoFA at the time, so the liability can not be transferred from the unknown driver to the registered keeper.

It’s simpler than this example because if you were parked in the station car park on railway land, that’s reason enough. You don’t have to dig through maps.

You should construct a simplified version of this appeal and post it here so we can advise you further. If you’re lucky, ECP will give up similarly.