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Hi - first time posting so apologies if any errors! After having followed advice off here and another forum we are now at the witness stage and need to submit by Weds 4th June 4pm but am really struggling with where to start and how to word things as I don't want to miss anything out and a lot of it is all jargon  if I'm honest :-\
In a nutshell we parked on land managed by CPM. We paid £2 for parking via phone and of which we thought covered what we needed. I think it was 50p Per hr but can't remember as it was back in Feb 24. However have since found it's 80p Per hr but no idea if this has been updated since. Regardless we felt we had still covered our parking. The first PCN stated 'failure to park for duration of stay'. The POC form just states parked in breach of the terms of parking stipulated on the signage so we had no idea if a) they thought we hadn't paid anything b)they were saying we hadn't paid enough. We ignored and followed the procedure submitting a defence etc. At mediation stage the mediator stated that the claimant was alleging we hadn't paid as they had no record of it. We explained we had and said we had proof of payment via a bank statement. The mediator said this was good but maybe we had inputted the wrong car registration or the wrong ID location and if we could show proof we hadn't we would be in a good position. Well we couldn't prove this. However we knew we had paid and didn't offer any settlement figure. HOWEVER now at witness stage and their witness statement declares their records show £2 payment, but that we entered at 11.10am paid at 11.39am until 1.40pm but we left at 1.30pm and they're saying we haven't paid enough as 20mins of parking isn't paid!. How on earth can this now be changed upon witness statement? Surely they had to declare this at mediation so we would have happily offered the extra 80P payment! Is this allowed? Im also aware of consideration periods and grace periods. Here are the links to the POC form and the defence we submitted. 



PLEASE HELP WITH THIS FINAL STEP as we really can't loose this sham! Thanks in advance

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Re: URGENT WITNESS STATEMENT - HELP NEEDED
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Where is the rest of the defence? You've only shown a single page. Have you used the one from MSE forum?

We would need to see the claimants WS as that has most likely been written by a paralegal with no firsthand knowledge and is therefore hearsay and carries less weight.

You have left this very late to prepare your WS. All you WS is is your version of events and should flesh out your defence "hooks" on which you hang it.
Never argue with stupid people. They will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience” - Mark Twain

Re: URGENT WITNESS STATEMENT - HELP NEEDED
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Thanks for your reply.Yes I only received notice of allocation and the claimants witness statement about 2 weeks ago and haven't had time to prep this due to work and home life. The claimant has until 4pm 5th June to pay the court fee or file a properly completed application - so the day after my witness deadline.
I have compiled my witness statement if you could read through this instead for me. Any feedback  would be appreciated. The court have stipulated to send it via email so I'll also email it to the  solicitors but do you think I should send a hard copy to the solicitors today just incase they won't accept an email(Ive seen that on a thread somewhere)!
Note: The exhibits I've included are that of the Chan & Akande case and a copy of bank statement showing payment. I haven't uploaded these.









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We need to see the claimants WS. You can upload it to Google Drive instead of trying to upload each page separately to Imgur.
Never argue with stupid people. They will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience” - Mark Twain

Re: URGENT WITNESS STATEMENT - HELP NEEDED
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That's pretty good. The statement is mostly written in a personal and sincere tone, which is good. However, several paragraphs are too informal, rambling, or emotional, which may detract from the credibility. Phrases like “this is unlawfully wrong and dishonest” or “makes a mockery” should be replaced with more neutral and professional language. Some sections lack clarity or combine too many points in one paragraph.

Here are some observations:

Paragraphs 1–2

These are fine structurally but could benefit from tighter language. “Based on my own knowledge and belief” is standard.

Paragraphs 3–6 (Preliminary Issues)

Strong start, but:

• “the CNBC” should be “the Civil National Business Centre (CNBC)” unless you're specifically referring to the online portal.
• “denied by the Claimant” in para 4 seems incorrect—it likely means “as a result of the Claimant’s lack of detail.”

Paragraphs 7–9 (Appeal Judgments)

These are well-presented. You may also consider referencing the White Book commentary on CPR 16.4 if you're challenging strike-out attempts.

Make sure the exhibits are numbered consistently, not “-01” and “-02.” They should be your initial and the number. E.g. XX-01, XX-02 etc.

Paragraphs 10–14 (Facts of the Incident)

This is a reasonable narrative but must be tightened:

Clarify the bank statement entry in para 13 with a label: “See Exhibit XX-03: Bank Statement showing £2.00 paid on [Date].”

Paragraphs 15–17 (Mediation Issues)

• Strong point about inconsistency between mediation and the WS, but “unlawfully wrong and dishonest” should be softened to “inconsistent and misleading.”
• Clearly state the importance of this inconsistency: undermines the reliability of the Claimant’s evidence and contradicts their earlier representations.

Paragraphs 18–24 (Signage and Breach)

These points are valid but need rewording for clarity and grammar:

• Describe why the signage is inadequate—tie this to the requirements for forming a contract (ParkingEye v Beavis still applies, but the signs there were very prominent).
• Expand the point about “three different signs” with an example or photo reference.
• Clearly set out the argument about consideration and grace periods, referencing Section 5 of the Private Parking Code of Practice (PPSCoP) or the BPA/IPC CoPs if older. If the driver agreed to the terms and parked, the consideration period is not added to the Grace period. It is disregarded.

Paragraphs 25–26 (Comparison of Witness Statements)

Good section overall. Your earlier request has already been addressed in your most recent paragraphs here. However, para 26 starts with a sentence fragment and needs rewording:

“This witness statement is based on my own knowledge and honest belief. In contrast, the Claimant’s statement is sparse, generic, and appears to be a cut-and-paste job.”

Also consider reordering this so the CPR/PD challenge comes before your factual response to the content of the Claimant’s WS.

Paragraphs 27–29 (CPR Challenge to Claimant’s WS)

This has been addressed separately below.

Paragraphs 30–33 (Conclusion)

These are powerful but border on polemic:

Reframe para 32’s language. While it’s true that the July 2023 DLUHC impact assessment shows enforcement cost inflation, avoid language like “to fail hundreds of thousands of consumers...” It can come across as a rant.

Suggested revision:

“It is now publicly acknowledged by the DLUHC’s July 2023 impact assessment that so-called ‘debt recovery’ costs are routinely inflated and rarely reflect actual costs. The Government has stated that the average cost to operators is around £8.42, yet claims such as this seek £70 or more under that heading. This practice is unfair and misleading.”

Here is a revised and slightly longer section for Paragraphs 27–29 (CPR Challenge to Claimant’s WS) which explains the points being made and references them as necessary. I include it all so that you fully understand why it is raised...

In your reference to the fact that the WS is in the third person and made by a paralegal who cannot be cross-examined should also reference the appropriate CPRs. The claimant's witness statement is not a proper witness statement under CPR 32.4(1), which says a witness statement must be a written statement signed by a person that contains the evidence that person would be allowed to give orally.

Practice Direction 32, paragraph 18.1, says a witness statement should, if possible, be in the witness’s own words. Paragraph 18.2 says a witness statement must show which parts are made from the witness’s own knowledge and which are based on information or belief, and must give the source for any information or belief. Paragraph 19.1 says the statement should be in the first person.

The claimant's statement does not follow any of these rules. It is written in the third person, it does not say what is known personally and what is based on second-hand information, and it does not come across as the genuine words of the witness. The person who signed it does not seem to have direct knowledge of the events described.

Under CPR 32.8 and Practice Direction 32 paragraph 25.1, there must also be a proper statement of truth. If a paralegal has drafted the statement and is making factual claims without personal knowledge, then this also raises questions about whether the statement of truth is valid.

Because the claimant’s witness statement fails to follow these clear rules, it should be given little or no weight by the court.

I would amend your points from para #26 and renumber as follows:

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26. This witness statement is based on my own knowledge and honest belief. In contrast, the Claimant relies on a sparse, cut-and-paste witness statement. The Particulars of Claim are devoid of key facts and fail to specify any actual breach, making it difficult to respond meaningfully.

27. The Claimant’s so-called 'witness' is a legal assistant employed by their solicitor. This person has no first-hand knowledge of the events in question and is simply relaying second-hand information. Any evidence presented by this individual is not based on direct experience and cannot carry the same evidential weight as a statement from someone actually involved in the incident.

28. The Claimant’s witness statement is not a proper witness statement under CPR 32.4(1), which defines a witness statement as a written statement signed by a person that contains the evidence that person would be allowed to give orally. The statement in question is not written in the first person, and it is clear that it has been drafted by a paralegal or other representative who does not have direct knowledge of the facts. This is not permitted.

29. Practice Direction 32, paragraph 18.1, says that a witness statement should, if practicable, be in the intended witness’s own words. Paragraph 18.2 requires the witness to identify which parts of their evidence are based on personal knowledge and which are based on information or belief, including the source of any such information. Paragraph 19.1 confirms that a statement should be written in the first person.

30. The Claimant’s statement does not follow any of these rules. It is written in the third person, it does not distinguish between what is personally known and what is second-hand, and it does not come across as the genuine words of the witness. The person who signed the statement appears to have no direct knowledge of the material facts.

31. Under CPR 32.8 and Practice Direction 32, paragraph 25.1, any statement of truth must properly reflect the personal knowledge of the signatory. Where a paralegal is making factual assertions without first-hand knowledge, this raises concerns about the validity of the statement of truth itself.

32. Although hearsay evidence is permitted under the Civil Evidence Act 1995, the court is required to give it reduced weight where the witness has no personal knowledge. Further, under CPR 32.2, the court has discretion to exclude evidence where it is of limited probative value. That is clearly the case here.

33. No personal statement has been provided by the car parking company or the landowner. The Claimant’s reliance on a generic, third-party-drafted document, with no direct input from a person with knowledge of the alleged event, means their statement cannot be relied on and should be given little or no weight by the court.
Never argue with stupid people. They will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience” - Mark Twain

Re: URGENT WITNESS STATEMENT - HELP NEEDED
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Hi there, thank you so much for your time and help. So appreciated.

I'm making the changes to the points you mention now and I'll try figure out how to send via google drive.
Just a couple of things: Paragraphs 18-14 where you said tie this with requirements to forming a contract - sorry a bit lost with this bit - how should I write it?
When searching for section 5 of the private parking code gov uk says guidance was withdrawn on 7th June 22 ? And the ICP code of practice was updated in Feb this year when my case spans back to feb of last year? Which should I include?

Should I change the subheadings through out and move the paragraphs according to what you've done?

Thanks so much
« Last Edit: June 03, 2025, 08:42:28 pm by Wonderwall4 »

Re: URGENT WITNESS STATEMENT - HELP NEEDED
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As UKCPM is an IPC member and the alleged contravention was in early 2024, you need to reference the IPC CoP v9:

https://irp.cdn-website.com/262226a6/files/uploaded/IPC%20Code%20of%20PracticeV9%20V4.pdf

You can also reference a comparison to the sign in the Beavis case to show deficiencies and why Beavis does not apply in this case. You'll have to research that yourself I'm afraid unless someone else is willing to do that for you. There are examples of comparison signs in many threads on this forum.
Never argue with stupid people. They will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience” - Mark Twain

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Just wanted to say went to court  and the Judge dismissed the case within about 5 minutes.
Said they had broken the rules and not followed proper practice, not being clear from the off set. Such a drawn out faff and stressful at times but just glad the judge saw right through it all!
Thanks for all the help
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I'm assuming the judge threw their claim out because the Particulars of Claim (PoC) were in breach of CPR 16.4(1)(a) and stated no cause of action, which is what you meant by "...they had broken the rules and not followed proper practice, not being clear from the off set."

Well done for persevering through it.
Never argue with stupid people. They will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience” - Mark Twain

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Yes absolutely that! And the fact the judge could see they were just being unreasonable and wasting court time. Can't believe they actually took it all the way to court stage! Shows how defiant they are when trying to intimidate and extract money from people.
Glad it's over - thank you b789 for your help!
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