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Defence for DCB Legal EuroCarParks Leicester Mansfield Street
« on: October 01, 2024, 07:27:28 pm »
Hi guys,

I'm looking for some assistance, i'm at the court claim stage, i've submitted the AOS on September 12th - issue date was 5th september 24

Overview

- didn't receive any pcn in the post from december 2021 until May 2024 (no longer lived at address but have had 3 different addresses since, wife didn't change her v5 doc until a permanent address ::)  )

- not sure/can't remember who was driving as it was around christmas and shopping seperately we shared the car/both insured (dec 18th) - the anpr pics don't give enough away
 
- time stamps suggest the driver was there for 15 mins (I'm doubting if any grace period applies)

 
*Ignore if irrelevant* Can part of a defence be formed from any gdpr irregularities? DCB legal provided me all data after an SAR whereas eurocarparks wanted my full passport/driving ID to release it (i'd already sent them my v5 document that i would regard as "reasonable" enough to confirm ID in this instance as they have no way of referencing the passport photograph and the information they can gather is the same as the v5.



I've attached a link with my claim form and various signage pictures, if you notice anything to add regarding the signs that would help greatly; to me it seems that the terms and conditions are "vague" and not consistent throughout all the signs that suggest anything to do with "terms and conditions" as well as being less visible or prominent as the rest of the wording at least on the tariff sign.

I'm sort of stuck regarding a defence other than the template but if that's enough then i trust it will be - any of your knowledge is greatly appreciated, :D

thank you

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Re: Defence for DCB Legal EuroCarParks Leicester Mansfield Street
« Reply #1 on: October 02, 2024, 01:51:23 am »
With a claim issuemdate of 5th September and having filed your Acknowledgement of Service (AoS), you have until 4pm on Tuesday 8th October to file your defence.

Do not use MCOL to file your defence. Your defence will be filed as a PDF attachment to an email.

At what point did you SAR DCB Legal? SAR is not recommended, at least until after a defence has been filed.

If you were unable to plead a defence because the Particulars of Claim (PoC) are woefully inadequate, as they are, then the claimant is in breach of CPR 16.4.

Imagine you knew nothing about this PCN until you received the N1SDT claim from from the CNBC. How would you plead a defence to what is in the PoC? You can’t. You don’t know how much of the claim is the principal and how much is damages. You don’t know how the interest is calculated because you don’t know from what date it has been applied and whether tney are claiming it only on the principal or the damages too. You don’t know what the term in the contract you are alleged to have breached and so on.

By requesting a SAR before the defence is submitted, you are playing into their hands. You don’t need to know all the details because you can get the claim struck out at allocation stage.

Anyway, we are where we are. Who is the defendant? You or your wife? Everything has to be in the defendants name, which is presumably the Keeper.

I will provide a slightly adapted short defence and draft order for you to submit. I have to adapt the short defence because of the SAR.

As I mentioned, you have until next Tuesday to submit the defence.
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Re: Defence for DCB Legal EuroCarParks Leicester Mansfield Street
« Reply #2 on: October 02, 2024, 02:18:31 am »
Here is the short defence. You only need to edit the claimant name, yiur name, the claim number and the sign it bynthping your full name for the signature and date it. The draft order does not need any editing:

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IN THE COUNTY COURT
Claim No: [Claim Number]
BETWEEN:

[Claimant's Full Name]


Claimant

- and -

[Defendant's Full Name]


Defendant



DEFENCE

1. The Defendant denies any liability for this claim. The Defendant is unable to recall whether they were the driver on an unremarkable day almost three years ago. The defendant is the registered keeper.


2. There is a lack of precise detail in the Particulars of Claim (PoC) in respect of the factual and legal allegations made against the Defendant such that the PoC do not comply with CPR 16.4.


3. The Defendant is unable to plead properly to the PoC because: 

(a) The contract referred to is not detailed or attached to the PoC in accordance with CPR PD 16.7.5;

(b) The PoC do not state the exact wording of the clause (or clauses) of the terms and conditions of the contract (or contracts) which is/are relied on;

(c) The PoC do not set out the reason (or reasons) why the claimant asserts the defendant has breached the contract (or contracts);

(d) The PoC do not state with sufficient particularity exactly where the breach occurred, the exact time when the breach occurred and how long it is alleged that the vehicle was parked before the parking charge was allegedly incurred;

(e) The PoC do not state exactly how the claim for statutory interest is calculated;

(f) The PoC do not state what proportion of the claim is the parking charge and what proportion is damages;

(g) The PoC states that the Claimant is suing the defendant as the driver or the keeper. The claimant obviously knows whether the defendant is being sued as the driver or the keeper and should not be permitted to plead alternative causes of action.

4. The Defendant has attached to this defence a copy of an order made at another court which the allocating judge ought to make at this stage so that the Defendant can then know and understand the case which he/she/it faces and can then respond properly to the claim.


Statement of truth

I believe that the facts stated in this Defence are true. I understand that proceedings for contempt of court may be brought against anyone who makes, or causes to be made, a false statement in a document verified by a statement of truth without an honest belief in its truth.

Signed:


Date:

Here is a link to the Draft Order:

Draft Order for the defence

The two PDF documents should be attached to an email addressed to claimresponses.cnbc@justice.gov.uk and also CCd to yourself. The email subject must contain the claim number and in the body of the email just state that attached is the defence and draft order in the matter of [claimant name] v [defendants name] Claim number [claim number].

When sent, you should receive an auto response from the CNBC.
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Re: Defence for DCB Legal EuroCarParks Leicester Mansfield Street
« Reply #3 on: October 05, 2024, 03:04:46 pm »
Thank you i appreciate your help,

I understand now, unfortunately i was more concerned with antagonising them at the time ;D it was around the end of august.

The defendant is my wife i'm just the admin,

I have submitted today and received the auto reply; sadly i emailed the first time without any attachments and then emailed again with - this shouldn't affect anything should it? I have commented on the latter email to disregard it and received a confirmation email for it as well.

Thanks again