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Re: DCBL unpaid parking charge NOT received
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Which bit of the response I gave you yesterday in reply #3 is not clear?

Why are you still calling it a "fine"? We have explained that it is simply a speculative invoice for an alleged breach of contract by the driver. You say you understand the difference between a criminal and a civil matter yet you are using terminology that indicates you don't.

Either follow the advice and pay nothing or else overthink it, ignore the advice and you can deal with the consequences and waste even more of your hard earned money paying these scamming ex-clampers.

Do nothing from now on until you receive a Letter of Clam (LoC). Come back when you do.

DO NOT, EVER, communicate with a powerless debt collector. Ignore them. Nothing will happen because of that. They are POWERLESS to do ANYTHING!

I don't know how to make this any clearer for you.
Never argue with stupid people. They will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience” - Mark Twain

Re: DCBL unpaid parking charge NOT received
« Reply #16 on: »
Right okay, thanks. What happens when I receive the letter of claim? I'm just asking for some peace of mind regarding what the actual consequences of my ignoring this are, and what my steps will be next. Got it, not paying anything. Loud and clear.

Which bit of the response I gave you yesterday in reply #3 is not clear?

Why are you still calling it a "fine"? We have explained that it is simply a speculative invoice for an alleged breach of contract by the driver. You say you understand the difference between a criminal and a civil matter yet you are using terminology that indicates you don't.

Either follow the advice and pay nothing or else overthink it, ignore the advice and you can deal with the consequences and waste even more of your hard earned money paying these scamming ex-clampers.

Do nothing from now on until you receive a Letter of Clam (LoC). Come back when you do.

DO NOT, EVER, communicate with a powerless debt collector. Ignore them. Nothing will happen because of that. They are POWERLESS to do ANYTHING!

I don't know how to make this any clearer for you.

Re: DCBL unpaid parking charge NOT received
« Reply #17 on: »
Do your own research  - if you search the forum for DCBL and DCB Legal you will find lots of similar cases and you will see the progression from threats to discontinuation.

Re: DCBL unpaid parking charge NOT received
« Reply #18 on: »
I've been doing some reading. I think I understand my situation fairly well. From reading another case I found the below quote:

As above... the driver should never be identified! They have no idea who the driver is. They only know the Keepers identity. There is no legal obligation on the Keeper to identify the driver and they should always decline to do so, unless we can verify that the original Parking Charge Notice (PCN) was issued in full compliance with POFA 2012. (not so) Smart Parking almost never comply with the requirements of PoFA to be able to hold the Keeper liable.

First, you must ask yourself why you never received the original Notice to Keeper (NtK). Was your address on the V5C up to date at the time of the alleged contravention? Often people change address, update their drivers licence with the DVLA, not understanding that they also have to separately update their V5C information. Please double check that your V5C is up to date with your current address.

Any debt recovery letters can be safely ignored. Debt collectors are powerless to do anything except to try and persuade the low-hanging fruit on the gullible tree to pay up out of ignorance and fear. Never, ever enter into communication with a useless debt collector.

As you have now received a Letter of Claim (LoC) from DCB Legal, you need to respond with the following to info@dcblegal.co.uk and also CC in yourself:

However in the case in question it was confirmed that the V5C was *always* up to date. In my case my V5C is NOW up to date but at the time of the alleged violation was not. What are the implications of this in my situation?

Re: DCBL unpaid parking charge NOT received
« Reply #19 on: »
Doesn't matter. ANY county court claim issued by DCB Legal for anything under £600 will never make to to a hearing as long as it is defended. Never!
Never argue with stupid people. They will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience” - Mark Twain

Re: DCBL unpaid parking charge NOT received
« Reply #20 on: »
Hi, I have now received a letter from DCB Legal. Don't believe this is a letter of claim. The 14 days has passed (I received the letter fairly late) but what do I now need to do? I understand from reading that it's best to respond to DCB Legal when they contact you but I have not done so yet, and don't plan to until hearing some further advice. Should I be worried at this stage? Thanks in advance

Re: DCBL unpaid parking charge NOT received
« Reply #21 on: »
I can't seem to attach the image , but it's a letter saying that Smart Parking has asked DCB Legal to review the case. "initial assessment shows that the parking charge remains unpaid. Unless resolved we may recommend to the client that the matter is escalated to one of our Scottish partners, who may be instructed to litigate on behalf of our client"


Re: DCBL unpaid parking charge NOT received
« Reply #23 on: »
https://ibb.co/Xfcc5MbD

The car park is 88 Washington Street Glasgow

Re: DCBL unpaid parking charge NOT received
« Reply #24 on: »
https://ibb.co/Xfcc5MbD

The car park is 88 Washington Street Glasgow


Ignore this letter.

Re: DCBL unpaid parking charge NOT received
« Reply #25 on: »
https://ibb.co/Xfcc5MbD

The car park is 88 Washington Street Glasgow


Ignore this letter.

Thanks! This was what I thought would be the case. Just don't acknowledge it at all?

Is it likely I'll receive a follow up as a result? I'm trying to get prepared now for what might happen as it's starting to hang over me quite a bit.

Re: DCBL unpaid parking charge NOT received
« Reply #26 on: »
In Scotland there is no keeper liability (yet...) - so they will be unlikely to take it any further.  But there is a current thread on here where they have taken one to court.  >99% if you weather the storm of debt collector letters, they will just give up.

Re: DCBL unpaid parking charge NOT received
« Reply #27 on: »
In Scotland there is no keeper liability (yet...) - so they will be unlikely to take it any further.  But there is a current thread on here where they have taken one to court.  >99% if you weather the storm of debt collector letters, they will just give up.

I hope this isn't a silly/naive question, but if there's no keeper liability does that mean that I will ultimately need to just deny being the driver of the vehicle at the time?  Or that they would need to prove I was the driver in order for me to liable?

What happened in the other case?

Re: DCBL unpaid parking charge NOT received
« Reply #28 on: »
They do not know the identity of the driver but they know the identity of the registered keeper. In England & Wales liability can be transferred from the driver to the registered keeper according to the Protections of Freedom Act 2012. No such legislation exists (yet) in Scotland, so the registered keeper can ignore or refuse to pay any invoices as long as the driver is not identified.

You do not lie, you simply refuse to identify the driver.

Re: DCBL unpaid parking charge NOT received
« Reply #29 on: »
They do not know the identity of the driver but they know the identity of the registered keeper. In England & Wales liability can be transferred from the driver to the registered keeper according to the Protections of Freedom Act 2012. No such legislation exists (yet) in Scotland, so the registered keeper can ignore or refuse to pay any invoices as long as the driver is not identified.

You do not lie, you simply refuse to identify the driver.

That makes sense to me, really helpful thanks for a clear answer. If it goes further then is that the crux of the case that I make? Is that the usual approach taken for people in this situation in Scotland specifically?