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athaop

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Hi all,

Looking for advice on a Parking Charge Notice (PCN) issued by Cumbria Parking Services.

Situation:

The driver entered the White Moss Lower car park near Ambleside in the Lake District in the late morning on 31 October 2024 and exited in the mid-afternoon, staying for just under 3 hours. According to the PCN, this exceeded the time that was paid for, though the notice doesn’t specify how much was paid or underpaid.

The vehicle was a hire car. I received a copy of the PCN after the parking company contacted the rental firm, who then passed my details on. I was the hirer, and I have not disclosed who the driver was, in line with the forum’s guidance.

I’ve now also received a debt collection letter from BW Legal, dated 21 March 2025, stating that they’ve been instructed regarding a balance of £170 (original charge + £70 “debt recovery” fee). The letter asks for payment or contact by 25 April 2025 and offers a pre-approved repayment plan. It does not appear to be a formal Letter of Claim. I have not responded to this letter, admitted liability, or made any payment.

Relationship to Vehicle:

I was the hirer of the vehicle at the time. I do not have the V5C, as the rental company is the registered keeper.

Documents:

I’ve attached a redacted copy of the PCN showing all dates and times, with personal details, PCN reference number, and registration number removed.

Next Steps:

I’d appreciate advice on:
1. Whether the PCN is POFA-compliant in the context of a hire vehicle
2. Whether I need to respond to the BW Legal letter at this stage
3. What my next move should be

Thanks in advance for your help!

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PoFA requires that the hirer can be held liable if
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14(1)If—

(a)the creditor is by virtue of paragraph 13(2) unable to exercise the right to recover from the keeper any unpaid parking charges mentioned in the notice to keeper, and

(b)the conditions mentioned in sub-paragraph (2) below are met,

the creditor may recover those charges (so far as they remain unpaid) from the hirer.
(2)The conditions are that—

(a)the creditor has within the relevant period given the hirer a notice in accordance with sub-paragraph (5) (a “notice to hirer”), together with a copy of the documents mentioned in paragraph 13(2) and the notice to keeper;

(b)a period of 21 days beginning with the day on which the notice to hirer was given has elapsed; and

(c)the vehicle was not a stolen vehicle at the beginning of the period of parking to which the unpaid parking charges relate.
with the relevant documents being
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(a)a statement signed by or on behalf of the vehicle-hire firm to the effect that at the material time the vehicle was hired to a named person under a hire agreement;

(b)a copy of the hire agreement; and

(c)a copy of a statement of liability signed by the hirer under that hire agreement.

If you didn’t receive these (you didn’t, I’m sure) then you as hirer can not be liable.

Ignore all debt collectors.

Presumably you did not appeal last November when you received the notice?
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Assuming not, read up more on PoFA and hirer liability for your defence if you get a Letter of Claim and small claims court documentation in due course.

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Thanks for the detailed explanation - super helpful.

To confirm:
1. I didn’t appeal last November.
2. The only thing I received alongside the PCN was a copy of the PCN and an admin fee invoice from the hire company (no hire agreement, no statement of liability, etc.)
3. I haven’t responded to the parking company or BW Legal at any point, and I haven’t named the driver.

Sounds like this isn’t POFA-compliant in a hire car context - just want to be sure I stay on the right track in case BW Legal escalates.

Thanks again for the guidance!

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If the PCN was not addressed to you, that’s to say it was just the PCN sent to the lease company and forwarded to you, it can only be for your information and you should wait for a Notice to Hirer addressed to you which needs to be accompanied by the specified documentation in order to make you - the hirer - liable.

If you had something addressed to you, which should be called a notice to hirer, then one of the documents that needs to accompany it is the original PCN, but that’s only necessary and not sufficient, so again without the other documentation you’re not liable, but it’d be worth appealing in response to the notice addressed to you on that basis. The appeal will be rejected but you’re advancing the process. In due course, if the parking company is a member of the BPA, an appeal to POPLA should kill it. If not, you’ll have to ignore empty threats for a while.
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I note that Cumbria Parking Services is not a member of the BPA, so POPLA won’t be an option, so after your valid appeal is rejected you just need to ignore everything until a Letter of Claim with which you will get help here and won’t ever lose in court.

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Clearly you can only appeal in response to a notice to hirer addressed to you.

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Unless you received a Notice to Hirer (NtH) addressed to you as the Hirer, there is nothing you can or should do unless you receive a Letter of Claim (LoC) or an actual N1SDT Claim Form from the CNBC.

The rest of the advice you've been given stands. There is nothing you can do otherwise.

The letter from BW Legal can be safely ignored as they are only acting in the capacity as a debt recovery agent.
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