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irateartist

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Today the driver of the vehicle issued the Parking Charge Notice used this car park for the first time.At the entrance of the car park it is clearly displayed that the parking charge all day is £4:00. This is is also displayed at the machine where you pay for parking. Photos of the tariff and terms and conditions at both the car park entrance and at the machines have been taken.
The vehicle was parked at 07:25 and the driver returned at just after 14:30 to find a Parking Charge Notice under the windscreen wiper. The driver was somewhat upset as they had paid to park all day. The Parking Charge Notice states that the contravention is: Parked after expiry of paid time.In breach of the terms and conditions as shown on the signage in the parking area. On examining the ticket the driver purchased closely it does say valid until 12:00, fee paid £4:00. The driver however, did not examine the ticket closely assuming that they had paid for all day parking and not just for a mornings parking.
I wish to appeal on the grounds that the signs stated that all day parking was £4:00 and that the tariff states that this expires at 6:00 pm. The driver therefore was not in breach of the terms and conditions displayed in the parking area. I plan to send a politely worded e mail. Is the best way to address this? Any advice would be gratefully received. If necessary I will post photos of signage, ticket purchased by driver and/or Parking Charge Notice. Thank you
I have added link to images of signage, ticket purchased and PCN.
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« Last Edit: April 14, 2025, 06:48:45 pm by irateartist »

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RichardW

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You will need to post the info you have listed.  It should tell you on the ticket how to appeal - but hold off till you have posted the info, and others have looked at it.
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Was the driver required to enter their full VRM into the machine when making payment? Have you redacted the VRM on the permit you've shown?

What have you done for Plan A? Have you approached the landowner? The manager of the Horse & Groom should be able to get this cancelled and if they don't or try to fob you off, you make sure you go on to websites that allow you to make reviews of the business and tell everyone about how they don't care whether their customers receive an invoice for £100 from an ex-clamper third party.

If Plan A does not work, DO NOT appeal that Parking Charge Notice (PCN) until Friday 9th May. Put that date in your diary and don't miss it. You appeal only as the Keeper of the vehicle. They have no idea who the driver is and you, the Keeper, are under no legal obligation to identify the driver to an unregulated private parking company.

You appeal with the following by email to appeals@cspmparking.co.uk and you CC in yourself:

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Subject: Appeal against PCN [Insert PCN Number] – Vehicle Registration [Insert VRM]

I am the keeper of the vehicle and I dispute your 'parking charge'. I deny any liability or contractual agreement and I will be making a complaint about your predatory conduct to your client landowner.

The Parking Charge Notice (PCN) was issued with the allegation of “Parked after expiry of paid time.” This is not only false but obviously mendacious. A payment of £4.00 was made and a permit issued, which your own tariff board states is the fee for all day parking, valid until 6:00pm. The PCN was issued at 12:11 — clearly within the paid period. No breach occurred. Your operative has made a clear and unjustified error.

Further, your Notice to Driver (NtD) fails to meet the requirements of Schedule 4 of the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012. It does not specify the period of parking, nor does it identify the creditor. These are statutory requirements. Partial or substantial compliance is not sufficient. The Notice is non-compliant and incapable of creating any liability for the keeper.

As your Notice to Driver (NtD) does not fully comply with ALL the requirements of PoFA 2012, you are unable to hold the keeper of the vehicle liable for the charge. Partial or even substantial compliance is not sufficient. There will be no admission as to who was driving and no inference or assumptions can be drawn. CSPM has relied on contract law allegations of breach against the driver only.

The registered keeper cannot be presumed or inferred to have been the driver, nor pursued under some twisted interpretation of the law of agency. Your NtD can only hold the driver liable. CSPM have no hope at POPLA, so you are urged to save us both a complete waste of time and cancel the PCN.
Never argue with stupid people. They will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience” - Mark Twain
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irateartist

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In reply to b789. Thank you for your advice. I am not sure if the Horse and Groom pub owns the pay and display car park. Would it be wise to contact them and ask? The machine does not ask for the VRM.

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Why would you not ask?
They can only say no if they don’t!
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The inclusion of "Horse & Groom" in the car park name strongly implies that the landowner is either the Horse & Groom pub itself or that it is the named tenant of the premises and car park.

Therefore, CSPM would be acting as agent for the pub or landholder under a contractual agreement. This means a complaint about CSPM's conduct, signage, or unfair PCNs can legitimately be directed to the Horse & Groom pub (or its management company/landlord).
Never argue with stupid people. They will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience” - Mark Twain
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It looks like the signage is at best poor, at worst deliberately misleading. 'All day' seems to refer to 8am - 6pm only - but the sign says only 'expires at 6pm'. Their ticket machine has taken the £4 and applied £1.50 to the 'overnight' rate before 8am and then £2.50 for a 4 hour session from 8 - 12 noon, hence the expiry time of 12.00. The attendant is correct that ticket has expired, but the signage is duff. Some update of the appeal may be required?

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Agreed — that’s a critical clarification. The core argument shifts slightly.

This is no longer a case of an operative making an error, but rather a failure of the signage and payment system to transparently explain how £4 is allocated. That brings Consumer Protection from Unfair Trading Regulations 2008 into play — i.e. misleading or deceptive practices.

The CPTURs 2008 are squarely engaged because the advertised tariff of £4 for "All day" parking is contradicted by the machine's allocation, and this is not clearly disclosed. That is a classic misleading omission under Regulation 6 and Schedule 1 of the CPUTRs.

Here is a revised version of your earlier suggested keeper appeal:

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Subject: Appeal against PCN [Insert PCN Number] – Vehicle Registration [Insert VRM]

I am the keeper of the vehicle and I dispute your 'parking charge'. I deny any liability or contractual agreement and I will be making a complaint about your predatory conduct to your client landowner.

The Parking Charge Notice was issued on the basis of “Parked after expiry of paid time.” The driver paid £4.00 at the machine, which — according to your own signage — is the tariff for “all day” parking. The sign states this expires at 6:00pm. There is no indication that “all day” parking only applies from 8:00am, nor any explanation that £4.00 would be broken up into separate night and day charges.

Yet the ticket issued by your machine expired at 12:00 noon, because it had apportioned £1.50 to an 'overnight' charge (prior to 8:00am) and only £2.50 to a four-hour daytime session. This allocation is not disclosed anywhere on your signage. The driver acted in reliance on the clearly advertised £4.00 “all day” rate and had no reason to expect that they were only paying for parking up to noon.

This is misleading and unfair. Your signage is not only non-compliant with the BPA Code of Practice but also with the Consumer Protection from Unfair Trading Regulations 2008. A consumer cannot be bound by a term they were not made aware of, and your machine's silent reallocation of a known tariff renders any alleged breach both unforeseeable and unenforceable.

Additionally, your Notice to Driver fails to meet the mandatory requirements of the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012 Schedule 4. It does not specify the period of parking, nor does it identify the creditor. These omissions prevent any keeper liability from arising.

The registered keeper cannot be presumed or inferred to have been the driver, nor pursued under some twisted interpretation of the law of agency. Your NtD can only hold the driver liable. CSPM have no hope at POPLA, so you are urged to save us both a complete waste of time and cancel the PCN.
Never argue with stupid people. They will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience” - Mark Twain
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Thank you again for your advice. It is very much appreciated. My plan of action is as follows:

1. Contact the owner/manager/landlord of the Horse and Groom asking that they get the parking charge cancelled.

2. Post reviews for Horse and Groom advising caution in using car park.

3. Complain to trading standards. I know they will not be able to help in cancelling the parking charge, but I would hope that they could take some action to prevent other people being conned into paying out money that they may be unable to afford. Times are hard!

4. In the (probable)event of the owner/manager/landlord of the Horse and Groom either ignoring or refusing to act, appeal the PCN notice on the 9th May as advised, using the version suggested in reply #8.

5. In the event of the appeal failing, get back to yourselves.

Thanks again.