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Re: BaySentry Solutions Ltd - No parking permit
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In England and Wales a tenant has no automatic right to a free copy of the head lease from the letting agent, and the agent has no general statutory duty to supply it. However, if your tenancy agreement purports to bind you to comply with terms of the head lease (or the parking rules arise under that head lease), it is reasonable to request the relevant extracts. Many agents/landlords will provide those parts (rights granted, regulations, plans).

If they won’t, the practical route is to obtain an official copy from HM Land Registry yourself. It’s inexpensive and avoids delay.

Hello, me again!

A few updates:
  • I have got a copy of the Title Register and there seems to be no head lease for this property (page 1 , page 2 , page 3 , page 4 )
  • The defendant has now received an N1SDT from BaySentry/DCB Legal dated 23rd October (attached here)
  • Along with the N1SDT, their is a cover letter regarding not responding and receiving a CCJ etc (attached here)


Amongst the list of 'particulars of claim' on the N1SDT, the defendant is pursued as the keeper or the driver of the vehicle.
To be absolutely clear here, the driver is not the owner/keeper of the vehicle. But they do have ability to drive the vehicle (full license and included on the insurance) but they were not the driver at the time of the incident occurring.
Does this change anything?


To put minds at rest, the defendant is obviously scared of receiving some kind of CCJ or mark against their credit file should this go to court etc. Under what circumstances would a CCJ on the credit file be given as obviously want to avoid that but also fight these scumbags if possible and you believe worthwhile?


Could you please advise on next steps, given the 1. Title registry attached, 2. the N1SDT and particulars of the case, 3. and fear of CCJ?

Thank you so much as always for helping!
« Last Edit: October 26, 2025, 01:44:01 pm by Dandalf »

Re: BaySentry Solutions Ltd - No parking permit
« Reply #16 on: »
I will come back to this and provide the deadlines and how to respond to the claim. However, just to put your mind at ease, there is zero chance of getting a CCJ and it will not affect your “credit file” even if you were to receive one, as long as it is paid in full within 30:days of judgment.

Nothing we advise on here will affect your credit record. Here is some education about how CJJs happen:

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A County Court Judgment (CCJ) does not just happen—it follows a clear legal process. If someone gets a Parking Charge Notice (PCN) from a private parking company, here's what happens step by step:

1. Parking Charge Notice (PCN) Issued

• The parking company sends a letter (Notice to Keeper) demanding money.
• This is not a fine—it’s an invoice for an alleged breach of contract.

2. Opportunity to Appeal

• The recipient can appeal to the parking company.
•If rejected, they may be able to appeal to POPLA (if BPA member) or IAS (if IPC member).
• If an appeal is lost or ignored, the parking company demands payment.

3. Debt Collection Letters

• The parking company might send scary letters or pass the case to a debt collector.
• Debt collectors have no power—they just send letters and can be ignored.
No CCJ happens at this stage.

4. Letter Before Claim (LBC)

• If ignored for long enough, the parking company (or their solicitor) sends a Letter Before Claim (LBC).
• This is a warning that they may start a court case.
• The recipient has 30 days to reply before a claim is filed.
No CCJ happens at this stage.

5. County Court Claim Issued

• If ignored or unpaid, the parking company may file a claim with the County Court.
• The court sends a Claim Form with details of the claim and how to respond.
• The recipient has 14 days to respond (or 28 days if they acknowledge it).
No CCJ happens at this stage.

6. Court Process

• If the recipient defends the claim, a judge decides if they owe money.
• If the recipient ignores the claim, the parking company wins by default.
No CCJ happens yet unless the recipient loses and ignores the court.

7. Judgment & Payment

• If the court rules that money is owed, the recipient has 30 days to pay in full.
• If they pay within 30 days, no CCJ goes on their credit file.
• If they don’t pay within 30 days, the CCJ stays on their credit file for 6 years.

Conclusion

CCJs do not appear out of thin air. They only happen if:

• A parking company takes the case to court.
• The person loses or ignores the case.
• The person fails to pay within 30 days.

If you engage with the process (appeal, defend, or pay on time), no CCJ happens.
Never argue with stupid people. They will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience” - Mark Twain

Re: BaySentry Solutions Ltd - No parking permit
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The very good news is that because this claim has been filed by DCB Legal, as long as it is defended, it will in due course,mine discontinued just before they are required to pay the £27 trial fee, after it has been allocated to your local county court.

I will not be dealing with the lease or their rights at this stage as the standard statutory failures in their Particulars of Claim (PoC) are enough to win. In the highly unlikely event that this were to ever proceed to a hearing (less than 1% chance) you can introduce the lease failures as rebuttal points to their witness statement, which is extremely unlikely to happen.

With an issue date of 15th October you have until 4pm on Monday 3rd November to submit your defence. If you submit an Acknowledgement of Service (AoS) before then, you would then have until 4pm on Monday 17th November to submit your defence.

You only need to submit an AoS if you need extra time to prepare your defence. If you want to submit an AoS then follow the instructions in this linked PDF:

https://www.dropbox.com/s/xvqu3bask5m0zir/money-claim-online-How-to-Acknowledge.pdf?dl=0

Until very recently, we never advised using the MCOL to submit a defence. However, due to recent systemic failures within the CNBC, we feel that it is safer to now submit a short defence using MCOL as it is instantly submitted and entered into the "system". Whilst it will deny the use of some formatting or inclusion of transcripts etc. these can always be included with the Witness Statement (WS) later, if it ever progresses that far.

You will need to copy and paste it into the defence text box on MCOL. It has been checked to make sure that it will fit into the 122 lines limit.

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1. The Defendant denies the claim in its entirety. The Defendant asserts that there is no liability to the Claimant and that no debt is owed. The claim is without merit and does not adequately disclose any comprehensible cause of action.

2. There is a lack of precise detail in the Particulars of Claim (PoC) in respect of the factual and legal allegations made against the Defendant such that the PoC do not adequately comply with CPR 16.4.

3. The Defendant is unable to plead properly to the PoC because:

(a) The contract referred to is not detailed or attached to the PoC in accordance with PD 16, para 7.3(1);

(b) The PoC do not state the exact wording of the clause (or clauses) of the terms and conditions of the contract (or contracts) which is/are relied on;

(c) The PoC do not adequately set out the reason (or reasons) why the claimant asserts the defendant has breached the contract (or contracts);

(d) The PoC do not state with sufficient particularity exactly where the breach occurred, the exact time when the breach occurred and how long it is alleged that the vehicle was parked before the parking charge was allegedly incurred;

(e) The PoC do not state precisely how the sum claimed is calculated, including the basis for any statutory interest, damages, or other charges;

(f) The PoC do not state what proportion of the claim is the parking charge and what proportion is damages;

(g) The PoC do not provide clarity on whether the Defendant is sued as the driver or the keeper of the vehicle, as the claimant cannot plead alternative causes of action without specificity.

4. The Defendant submits that courts have previously struck out materially similar claims of their own initiative for failure to adequately comply with CPR 16.4, particularly where the Particulars of Claim failed to specify the contractual terms relied upon or explain the alleged breach with sufficient clarity.

5. In comparable cases involving modest sums, judges have found that requiring further case management steps would be disproportionate and contrary to the overriding objective. Accordingly, strike-out was deemed appropriate. The Defendant submits that the same reasoning applies in this case and invites the court to adopt a similar approach by striking out the claim due to the Claimant’s failure to adequately comply with CPR 16.4, rather than permitting an amendment. The Defendant proposes that the following Order be made:

Draft Order:

Of the Court's own initiative and upon reading the particulars of claim and the defence.

AND the court being of the view that the particulars of claim do not adequately comply with CPR 16.4(1)(a) because: (a) they do not set out the exact wording of the clause (or clauses) of the terms and conditions of the contract which is (or are) relied on; and (b) they do not adequately set out the reason (or reasons) why the claimant asserts that the defendant was in breach of contract.

AND the claimant could have complied with CPR 16.4(1)(a) had it served separate detailed particulars of claim, as it could have done pursuant to PD 7C, para 5.2, but chose not to do so.

AND upon the Court determining, having regard to the overriding objective (CPR 1.1), that it would be disproportionate to direct further pleadings or to allot any further share of the Court’s resources to this claim (for example by ordering further particulars of claim and a further defence, with consequent case management).

ORDER:

1. The claim is struck out.

2. Permission to either party to apply to set aside, vary or stay this order by application on notice, which must be filed at this Court not more than 7 days after service of this order, failing which no such application may be made.
Never argue with stupid people. They will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience” - Mark Twain