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Received letter before claim moorside legal
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Hello,
I was hoping anyone could give me some advice, i have received a debt recovery letter on 08/05/25 for a parking fine from 18/09/21, which i had no idea about as i was never notified by the parking company itself. The car in question was owned by my ex wife. Not sure whos name was on the log book and can not check as she no longer owns the car.
Received a second letter on 12/06/2025 which i ignored and today 11/08/25 i have received a letter before claim.
Any advise as to my next steps who be very much appreciated

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Re: Received letter before claim moorside legal
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You have to ask whether the address on the V5C at the time of the alleged contravention had been updated after a previous move. It's a bit late now but if the operator possibly still holds an outdated address, they could use that to serve the claim and you'd be screwed wen you eventually find a CCJ that was issued in default because you never updated your address with the claimant.

As you have not show the whole of the Letter of Claim (LoC), we don't know who their client is. Whoever it is, you should send a Data Rectification Notice (DRN) to their DPO and also to the utter incompetents at Moorside Legal, instructing them to update their records with your current valid address for service and to erase your old address. The highlighted words are there for a reason, so use them.

You can simply respond to the LoC by email to help@moorsidelegal.co.uk and CC yourself with the following:

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Dear Sirs,

Your Letter Before Claim contains insufficient detail of the claim and fails to provide copies of evidence your client places reliance upon and thus is in complete contravention of the Pre-Action Protocol for Debt Claims.

As a firm of supposed solicitors, one would expect you to be capable of crafting a letter that aligns with paragraphs 3.1(a)–(d), 5.1 and 5.2 of the Protocol, and paragraphs 6(a) and 6(c) of the Practice Direction. These provisions do not exist for decoration—they exist to facilitate informed discussion and proportionate resolution. You might wish to reacquaint yourselves with them.

The Civil Procedure Rules 1998, Pre-Action Conduct and Protocols (Part 3), stipulate that prior to proceedings, parties should have exchanged sufficient information to understand each other’s position. Part 6 helpfully clarifies that this includes disclosure of key documents relevant to the issues in dispute.

Your template letter mentions a “contract”, yet fails to provide one. This would appear to undermine the only foundation upon which your client’s claim allegedly rests. It’s difficult to engage in meaningful pre-litigation dialogue when your side declines to furnish the very document it purports to enforce.

I confirm that, once I am in receipt of a Letter Before Claim that complies with the requirements of para 3.1 (a) of the Pre-Action Protocol, I shall then seek advice and submit a formal response within 30 days, as required by the Protocol. Thus, I require your client to comply with its obligations by sending me the following information/documents:

1. A copy of the original Notice to Keeper (NtK) that confirms any PoFA 2012 liability
2. A copy of the contract (or contracts) you allege exists between your client and the driver, in the form of an actual photograph of the sign you contend was at the location on the material date, not a generic stock image
3. The exact wording of the clause (or clauses) of the terms and conditions of the contract(s) which is (are) relied upon that you allege to have been breached
4. The written agreement between your client and the landowner, establishing authority to enforce
5. A breakdown of the charges claimed, identifying whether the principal sum is claimed as consideration or damages, and whether the £70 “debt recovery” fee includes VAT

I am clearly entitled to this information under paragraphs 6(a) and 6(c) of the Practice Direction. I also need it in order to comply with my own obligations under paragraph 6(b).

If your client does not provide me with this information then I put you on notice that I will be relying on the cases of Webb Resolutions Ltd v Waller Needham & Green [2012] EWHC 3529 (Ch), Daejan Investments Limited v The Park West Club Limited (Part 20) Buxton Associates [2003] EWHC 2872, Charles Church Developments Ltd v Stent Foundations Limited & Peter Dann Limited [2007] EWHC 855 in asking the court to impose sanctions on your client and to order a stay of the proceedings, pursuant to paragraphs 13, 15(b) and (c) and 16 of the Practice Direction, as referred to in paragraph 7.2 of the Protocol.

Until your client has complied with its obligations and provided this information, I am unable to respond properly to the alleged claim and to consider my position in relation to it, and it is entirely premature (and a waste of costs and court time) for your client to issue proceedings. Should your client do so, then I will seek an immediate stay pursuant to paragraph 15(b) of the Practice Direction and an order that this information is provided.

Yours faithfully,

[Your name]
Never argue with stupid people. They will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience” - Mark Twain

Re: Received letter before claim moorside legal
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Thank you b789

I have sent off the email to Moorside Legal @ London N17 1lg

"As you have not show the whole of the Letter of Claim (LoC), we don't know who their client is" - no details of client on LOC, only thing missing off photo is their and my address.

Client is UKPS Ltd 2nd
Location Bermuda Park Nuneaton

Do i need to do anything else ?

Re: Received letter before claim moorside legal
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Not for now. Let's see when they fail to comply with the PAP and we can continue to rattle their cage. The incompetence of this firm of wannabe legals is a joke for all to observe.
Never argue with stupid people. They will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience” - Mark Twain

Re: Received letter before claim moorside legal
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Hi,

I have received the below, what should i do next ?

We write in relation to the above matter.

Our client has instructed us to collect the outstanding balance of £170.00 in relation to an unpaid Parking Charge Notice (PCN).
 
The Terms and Conditions on which UKPS Ltd's services are provided are clearly displayed throughout the private land. Please be advised that there are several signs within this location displaying the terms and conditions,  As you breached the terms and conditions of the car park, this PCN was correctly issued. Considering the evidence, we are satisfied that the PCN has been issued in line with industry standards and is compliant with the International Parking Community’s (IPC) code of practice. The signage of the car park also complies with the International Parking Community’s Code of Practice.
 
By entering and parking the vehicle on our client's private land, you agreed to enter into a contract with our client and to be bound by the terms and conditions of that contract. The terms and conditions were clearly displayed at the entrance and in prominent places within the car park. Due to your failure to comply with the terms and conditions, our client has issued the PCN.
 
The additional charge which has been levied on your Parking Charge of £70 is the amount set out in both the British Parking Association and International Parking Community Codes of Practice as the amount which may be added to a Parking Charge when a Parking Charge remains unpaid and when further recovery is required. Our Client is a member of the International Parking Community which is a government approved Accredited Trade Association (ATA) for Private Parking. Our Client adheres to the ATA’s Code of Practice. The £70 does not represent the cost of recovery but is a reasonable amount in relation to the Parking Charge amount, in order to encourage early payment of the Parking Charge without the need for debt recovery. It is a fair amount set by our Client’s government-approved Accredited Trade Association Code of Practice. There are however also costs incurred by our client in relation to debt recovery services.
 
It is unclear why you would need to inspect any agreement between our client and the landowner as you are not party to that agreement, not could it aid your dispute or any potential defence.
 
 

Please note that we will not be addressing any further correspondence related to disputes of the same nature, as we have already provided you with a response. However, should you wish to raise a new dispute, we will investigate the matter further and respond accordingly.
 

We ask that you make the full payment of £170.00 within 7 days of receipt of this email.

 

 

You can make payment in the following ways: 

Contact us on 0330 822 9950 (our opening times are Monday- Friday 9:00- 17:00);
portal.moorsidelegal.co.uk - Login to our portal
https://pay.moorside.legal - Quick Pay
 

 

If you fail to respond or make payment, we may be instructed by our client to issue legal proceedings against you. This will incur further costs and fees that will be added to the outstanding balance. You may wish to seek independent legal advice. 

 

 

Yours sincerely,

Moorside Legal

 

Re: Received letter before claim moorside legal
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Why does it say "Driver details" and name you? Did you give away the identity of the driver in any representation? The vehicle was obviously registered to you, irrespective or who "owned" it. They requested the Keeper data from the DVLA and it must have been in your name, which is why the Notice to Keeper (NtK) is addressed to you.

You should respond to the utter incompetents by email with the following, and CC yourself:

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Subject: Your allegation “Non Customer / Unauthorised Parking” – UKPS Ltd – PCN 1491911

Dear Sirs,

Your client’s stated reasons are “Non Customer Parked in a Customer Only Car Park / Unauthorised Parking.” The only “evidence” you rely on is a handful of stills showing entry, the vehicle parked, and exit. That material proves nothing beyond presence on site. It does not and cannot establish the status of any occupant as “non-customer” or “unauthorised”. The burden of proof is yours. Please explain how a static image of a car demonstrates the occupiers’ retail status.

If you maintain this allegation, put your client to strict proof of the following within 30 days:

1. The exact term allegedly breached, in full, and a legible photograph of the sign in situ on the material date showing that term prominently at the entrance and throughout the site.
2. The operational scheme by which “customer” status is defined, verified, and communicated to motorists (for example, VRM validation, receipt scanning, or tablet entry), together with contemporaneous logs showing this VRM was not validated during the relevant window.
3. Evidence capable of proving the negative you assert (that no occupant was a customer of any on-site business during the stay). If you intend to rely on store till data or internal CCTV, identify the lawful basis for processing and cross-matching such data and provide the DPIA or other justification relied upon.
4. Clarification of whether your case is (a) a contractual charge for breach of terms or (b) a claim for trespass. If it is trespass, only the landowner may claim and only for actual loss; if it is a contractual charge, please explain how a prohibitive “Customer Only / Unauthorised” notice constitutes a contractual offer to non-customers.
5. A site plan marking each sign and the route a driver would take, showing that the “customer only” condition was both unavoidable and unambiguous on approach.

As things stand, the allegation is hopelessly vague and internally inconsistent. “Non customer” presupposes a working, fair, and transparent verification mechanism and records showing a failure. You have provided none. “Unauthorised parking” is a prohibition, not a contractual offer to pay a charge, and if pleaded as trespass you have not shown the landowner’s title or any loss. The stills you provided are incapable of discharging your evidential burden on either footing.

Further, as solicitors you are expected to comply with the Pre-Action Protocol for Debt Claims. Persisting with payment demands while withholding the key documents that would allow the defendant to form a defence (including the Notice to Keeper, contemporaneous signage, the precise term and alleged breach, the landowner authority, and a proper breakdown of the sum claimed) is incompatible with your duties as officers of the court. If you persist in failing to comply with the Protocol and to provide those documents, I will not hesitate to report your conduct to the Solicitors Regulation Authority and will draw this correspondence to the court’s attention on costs.

Unless you can produce the above key documents and evidence, you should withdraw this allegation. Any claim founded on “non customer/unauthorised” accompanied only by entry/exit photographs will be defended and an application made for appropriate sanctions for proceeding without a proper evidential basis.

Yours faithfully,

[Your name]

Never argue with stupid people. They will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience” - Mark Twain

Re: Received letter before claim moorside legal
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Hi,

Thank you again, at no point have i identified myself as the driver,
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