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CPM - UK sent this pcn through post, link below. Just went in and out as it was a road traffic jam and couldnt do a three point turn. I thought it was for parking tickets but could see within a min I exited okay. Read number of hot topics on this forum about CPM, thought to share my penality and see if any help I can get to challenge this fine, please?



PCN through post
https://ibb.co/nsbXmTkh
https://ibb.co/FbX9ZSvc

PCN online + Images
https://ibb.co/xKgjPzNz
https://ibb.co/20cy7yH7

Location
https://maps.app.goo.gl/Dw5srSfdvsSbcfqMA4d-0.1056859!16s%2Fg%2F11cssw1yjy!5m1!1e1?entry=ttu&g_ep=EgoyMDI1MDkxNS4wIKXMDSoASAFQAw%3D%3D
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Re: CPM > Vehicle Not Registered (ANPR)
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It’s not a fine, it’s a stupid and unenforceable invoice for payment on the basis that you drove onto the land, agreed to the terms and conditions on the signs, and parked, then left again all within one minute.
There’s probably a formal appeal but, personally, I’d be telling them to stop being stupid and there’s no chance you’ll be paying them a penny, and that they’re a bunch of incompetent money-grabbing fools.

If I send you an invoice for spending an hour doing your gardening whereas in fact I spent one minute removing a weed, you wouldn’t call it a fine, you’d tell me to get lost, wouldn’t you?
« Last Edit: September 18, 2025, 02:17:04 pm by jfollows »
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Thanks for your quick input. I was reading this;

https://www.ftla.uk/private-parking-tickets/weavers-quarter-barking-cpm/


Should I follow any proceedure or just ignore them?
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It’s not a fine, it’s a stupid and unenforceable invoice for payment on the basis that you drove onto the land, agreed to the terms and conditions on ths signs, and parked, then left again all within one minute.
There’s probably a formal appeal but, personally, I’d be telling them to stop being stupid and there’s no chance you’ll be paying them a penny, and that they’re a bunch of incompetent money-grabbing fools.

Quote from: jfollows on September 18, 2025, 01:52:21 pm
If I send you an invoice for spending an hour doing your gardening whereas in fact I spent one minute removing a weed, you wouldn’t call it a fine, you’d tell me to get lost, wouldn’t you?

Of course I wont pay but they got my details through dvla though, so more likely they dispatch balliffs for recovery.
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No, they will not “dispatch baliffs”. They have no ability to do this, any more than I would.

If you want to engage politely then I suggest writing to say that you assume their invoice was issued in error and that you expect them to withdraw it and inform you.

They are not allowed to issue parking notices for periods of one minute.
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Step 1.

Do not admit to being the driver

Step 2.

Complete the scammers online appeal as the keeper only (ensuring not to tick any boxes saying you were the driver, selecting any options that hint you were the driver and don’t disclose their name)  saying the driver entered the car park, saw there terms and declined the offer of a contract so left.
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Make them jump through their stupid hoops and cost them some money. Personally, I would also refer them to the answer given in Arkell v Pressdram (1971).

Here what I advise you to appeal with to UKCPM:

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Dear Sirs,

I write in response to your recent postal PCN alleging that my vehicle was “not registered (ANPR)” and therefore somehow liable for a charge. The ANPR timestamp shows a duration of precisely one minute. I appreciate your commitment to fiction, but let’s return to the realm of law.

Let me be clear: no contract was formed. I did not park, I did not stop voluntarily, and I did not engage in any conduct that could remotely be construed as accepting contractual terms. I entered the site due to a road traffic jam and exited as soon as physically possible. Your camera clocked one minute. That’s not a stay—it’s a transit.

If you wish to persist with this nonsense, I invite you to provide evidence that the vehicle was stationary for longer than the minimum consideration period required for a contract to be formed. Spoiler alert: you can’t. Because it wasn’t.

Your allegation is not only legally incoherent, it’s procedurally embarrassing. You’ve confused presence with acceptance, and movement with parking. If this is the standard of your enforcement logic, I fear for the cognitive wellbeing of your compliance department.

Should you be so intellectually malnourished as to reject this appeal, I will submit a formal IAS appeal—not because I expect fairness, but purely to force you to pay for adjudication. Consider it a tax on stupidity.

And finally, should you still be tempted to press on, I refer you to the answer given in Arkell v Pressdram (1971). You’ll find it refreshingly concise.

Yours faithfully,
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