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Re: Court Claim - Euro Car Parks Euro Garage Heathrow South Notice from March '22
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Gents,

So received a letter from DCB Legal around 10th Sept notifying their intention to still proceed & that a DQ would be issued (with their copy of DQ enclosed). It also had an offer to pay up within 7 days etc. which I ignored.

Logged into MCOL today, and dated today (23/09) notification says DQ sent & filed by claimant.

My first of many questions, how long do I have now to register the completed DQ by?

Secondly, as its getting into tel. mediation and potential physical/video/phone hearing territory, I could do with some advice please on how to manage and what details/info to provide on the DQ form.

So far I've had the my relative (the claimant)'s details on the MCOL account (i.e. it was automatically using his gateway ID/email address anyway), I only used my email address to send the defence and draft order. For context, I live about 70 miles from him, so in theory can travel closer to him eventually if there is a physical hearing, but otherwise would be happy to handle everything else by phone/video call for him (if that is appropriate?) as I perhaps know the case better than him and he is happy for me to do so. He would need support anyhow as English isn't his first language so I would have to 'interpret' for any phone calls/physical attendances anyway.

So my next few questions are as follows (from the DQ template linked in the previous post):
- In the mediation contact details (section B) - shall I put my relative's name, address, then my phone number and email (or email would you think still his as per MCOL account?)
- Section D. Suitability for determination without a hearing - do i tick yes or no? Interestingly in their version supplied with the 10/09 email, it skips section D & E from the linked-template version and D on theirs is instead F from the linked template version i.e. regarding what hearing venue preferred (where they've put 'Claimants Home Court').
- E. About the mediation appointment
E1 Which phone number would you prefer the Small Claims Mediation Service to call you on for your mediation appointment? - this got me thinking if I should just be putting his phone number and email under section B and only putting my phone number here?
E3 Will you be using an interpreter for your mediation appointment? If Yes, specify the type of interpreter. How do I answer this? I'd rather me be the interpreter so should I put something like 'personal interpreter' or something? Also, does it therefore help keep me involved?
- F. About the hearing
F1 - Hearing venue - should I also put down 'Claimant's Home Court' or be anymore specific? Is there anyway to indicate that we'd much rather prefer phone/video?
F3 (their D3) - Just for information, they've indicated they'll be using 1 witness.
F5 Will you be using an interpreter at the hearing either for yourself or for a witness? If Yes, specify the type of interpreter. Similar to one of the previous questions, how do I answer this? I'd rather me be the interpreter so should I put something like 'personal interpreter' or something? Also, does it help keep me involved?
Finally, I assumed signed in his name?

Sorry for the many questions, just never handled a DQ before, and many thanks as always.

Re: Court Claim - Euro Car Parks Euro Garage Heathrow South Notice from March '22
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A DQ is sent to the defendant and you allow 5 days for service and then 28 days to return it. As you have downloaded one, you have plenty of time to complete it.

As for the mediation phone call, the only requirement it to “attend” the call. It is a waste of time in these kind of cases but it has to be done. Obviously, it is the defendant that has to “attend” the call but if you are interpreting for him, then that shouldn’t be a problem. All you have to do is say you offer £0 and it will be over in a few minutes.

Mediation is not a trial and there are no lawyers or judges involved. Whatever the outcome of mediation, it has no bearing on any subsequent hearing if there is no agreement.

As for the DQ, put whatever contact details and address as you think best for receiving any correspondence about the claim. However, it must all be in your relatives name.

You definitely do NOT want a determination without a hearing (on the papers). So, tick “NO” and just state:

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I am not content for the case to be heard 'on the papers' because that seems to disproportionately give an advantage to a legally represented party. I wish to question the Claimant about their evidence at a hearing in person and to expose omissions and any misleading or incorrect evidence or assertions.

As for venue, you put the court local to you or your relative. In the small-claims track, if the claimant is a business and the defendant is not, the it will always be at the defendants local court, no matter what the claimant puts in that box.

The defendant will also be the only witness. That question is only for determining what size room they’d need for the hearing. In the vast majority of cases, the hearing is held in the judges chambers, which is simply a small office where the judge works.

Here is a short video that explains what actually happens on the day:



I’m not 100% sure about what type of interpreter. See what others think.  It may just mean what language is being interpreted. Put whatever contact details you think they’re asking. It is only a DQ which is for admin purposes more than anything.

Even if you were not interpreting, you are allowed to be his lay representative and do the talking. They only proviso is that the defendant must also be present.

Remember to block off any dates you or the defendant won’t be available in the next 6 months, such as going on holiday. Pad any dates with a few extra days either side.

Obviously, everything is always signed in the defendants name.

There is still only about a 1% chance this will ever reach a hearing. The most likely outcome is still going to that they discontinue just before they have to pay the hearing fee.

It is always very late in the process. However, if they do submit a WS, the defendant will also have submit one.

At some point it will be referred to the court local to the defendant and there will be a court order giving the date and a deadline for submitting witness statements (WS). Normally it is two weeks before the hearing date but could be longer depending on the local courts schedule.

Once the case has been assigned to your local courts schedule, MCOL has no further part in the process. All dealings will be through the local court.

Their WS is always a template and is easily handled. A bridge to cross if or when it is reached. The claimant will have the same deadline to submit their WS as the defendant. The Defendants WS should ideally be submitted at the last minute, hopefully after having received a copy of the claimants beforehand.
« Last Edit: September 24, 2024, 02:14:35 am by b789 »
Never argue with stupid people. They will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience” - Mark Twain

Re: Court Claim - Euro Car Parks Euro Garage Heathrow South Notice from March '22
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Thank you very much for the info, I'll fill in the DQ accordingly.

Just for clarification, I think you mentioned I had 5 days for service + 28 days from the date of issue of the DQ (23/09) which I had worked out to be around the 25th Oct. However the copy that's arrived in the post today seems to say "you must by 10th Oct 2024 complete..". Which one is correct?

Thanks.

Re: Court Claim - Euro Car Parks Euro Garage Heathrow South Notice from March '22
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So they’re giving 14 days. My bad. Just make sure you submit it by the deadline. There’s nothing to be gained by delaying it, so just get on with it.
Never argue with stupid people. They will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience” - Mark Twain

Hi all,

Just an update on this and request for help again.

So the comms from the court (since the last post) dated 07/01/25 were for the Claimant to file particulars of the claim by 4pm 14/01/25.

I received an email from DCB Legal on 13/01/25 with these particulars of claim, with a note to say 'we confirm it has been filed with the Court'. I had not seen any update re: this on the MCOL website that it had indeed been filed with the court in the days and weeks since, and even now, the last transaction on it is that the claim was transferred to the country court on 13/12/2024. I had hoped it was just a tactic by them and the claim would therefore time out.

Now the defendant has received the court letter here, dated 15/04/25 (although date signature at letter end is 19/3/25), & received in post on 18/04/25. It seems that by 4pm on 13/05/25 both parties need to submit WS.

So my questions please are as follows:

1) Does the defendant (i.e. me on their behalf) HAVE to submit WS if there is nothing additional to add beyond whats previously been submitted?

2) If so, please would you be kind of enough of what it should say and what format and medium to communicate in? By calling some generic helpline, I was given 'enquiries.kingston.countycourt@justice.gov.uk' as the best email to send in witness statements. Is this correct? (I only ask to be doubly sure as lady advising was from a central line and didn't seem to be overly sure on specifics of the process.)

3) What would the date for the claimant paying the hearing fees be i.e. by when might we get certainty wether this will progress to a hearing or not? Will there be a letter sent out to confirm its been struck out if the claimant dosen't pay up?

4) The court letter claimed that the hearing would take place on the first available date after 24th June 2025. I take it that isn't the date of the hearing and a date will only be set once that date has passed? How much notice of the hearing date might one potentially get when it gets set? In the DQ I had already indicated that defendant didn't have availability between the date of 24/06/25 & 04/07/25, so if it falls within those dates, what scope is there to reschedule?

5) As it was the easter BH long weekend that this letter arrived on during which I was busy and only now just catching up on things - have I dropped the ball a bit and should have asked for this to be set aside 7 days from the date of service of the letter? If so, and anything can/should be done urgently (today being the 7th day) please do let me know!!

Many thanks as always.
« Last Edit: April 24, 2025, 02:46:03 pm by Hustler6969 »

MCOL is only for use before the claim is allocated to your local court, so nothing in there will update after allocation.

Why wait so long to update us on this? At what point was the defendant ordered to submit further PoC? You have not shown us any orders from the court.

how on earth do you expect to receive advice if you don't keep us updated with everything about this?
« Last Edit: April 24, 2025, 02:56:28 pm by b789 »
Never argue with stupid people. They will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience” - Mark Twain

Apologies if I misread when to communicate here (I just thought I'd rather hassle yourselves only when there was a next step to take for us) - will be more regular from now.

As mentioned in above post, court letter received a few months back (i.e. dated 07/01/25) was for CLAIMANT to file particulars of the claim by 4pm 14/01/25. I received an email from DCB Legal on 13/01/25 with their particulars of claim (link in post above), with a note to say that they have filed it with the court.

Next (recent) comms from court are as in above post.

It's the court order for the claimant to file further PoC that we need to see!!! Without seeing that, we cannot determine whether they have fully complied with the order.

Does the order also say that the defendant dan then file an amended defence?
Never argue with stupid people. They will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience” - Mark Twain

Court order asking claimant for PoC now attached here.

It was just asking Claimant for the PoC, no direction to defendant.

That is stupidly unfair order where the judge has given the claimant a free lifeline by allowing them to submit further PoC without giving the defendant an opportunity to amend their defence accordingly. Why on earth did you wait so long to let us know abut this? You are now on the back foot because of your failure to keep us up to date with EVERYTHING to so with the case!!!

The following should have been sent to the court the day after you received the amended PoC... not three whole months later!!!!

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The Court Manager
County Court at Kingston-upon-Thames
St James Road
Kingston upon Thames
Surrey KT1 2AD

Re: [Claim Number] – [Defendant’s Full Name]

Date: [Insert today's date]

Dear Sir/Madam,

I write as the Defendant in the above claim and as a litigant in person.

When I submitted my Defence, I attached a draft order requesting that the Claimant be ordered to provide further and better Particulars of Claim, listing in detail the information I needed in order to understand the case and plead a proper Defence. The court did not refer to or adopt that draft. Instead, the order dated 31 December 2024 simply directed the Claimant to file "a CPR compliant particulars of claim" by 14 January 2025.

This created procedural uncertainty and denied me the clarity that my draft order was intended to provide. The Claimant has now filed amended Particulars of Claim. However, the new version still does not comply with CPR 16.4, nor does it provide the information which the court clearly intended to be disclosed.

The amended Particulars of Claim fail to:

• Attach a copy of the contract relied upon
• Set out the actual contractual clauses said to have been breached
• Provide a copy of the parking charge notice
• State how or when the PCN was served
• Provide a full postal address for the alleged location
• State clearly whether the Defendant is pursued as the driver or the keeper (instead continuing to plead both in the alternative)
• Provide any explanation or contractual basis for the “contractual costs” claimed
• Include any valid statutory interest calculation or any indication of when the alleged debt arose

Worse still, the amended Particulars of Claim do not even state the date on which the alleged contravention occurred. Paragraph 7 refers to an entry time of 08:32 and exit time of 09:45, but no date is given. Without a date of contravention, the Particulars of Claim are defective and incomplete. There is no way for me to know on what date the alleged breach is said to have occurred or when any cause of action accrued.

Despite this, the Claimant claims £33.36 in statutory interest under section 69 of the County Courts Act 1984, again without specifying when the interest began, what daily rate was used, or how the figure was calculated. This is a clear breach of the court’s order at paragraph 2(l), which expressly required the Claimant to “set out a precise calculation of the claim for statutory interest up to the date of issue to include the date interest started running”.

The original Defence I submitted was necessarily brief, because the Claimant’s original statement of case was vague, and I could not meaningfully respond to a case that had not been properly pleaded. It is fundamentally unjust for the Claimant to be allowed to amend their claim without cost, and yet for me to be denied the opportunity to amend my Defence unless I pay a court fee.

Accordingly, I respectfully request that the court:

1. Either grant me permission to file and serve an amended Defence within 14 days of notification, without the need for a formal application or court fee;

OR

2. Strike out the claim in its entirety due to the Claimant’s continued failure to file CPR 16.4-compliant Particulars of Claim and for non-compliance with the court’s order dated 31 December 2024.

I trust the court will recognise the prejudice caused by the Claimant’s conduct and ensure that a litigant in person is not subjected to further unfair procedural disadvantage.

Yours faithfully,

[Your Full Name]
[Your Address]
[Your Email if applicable]
Never argue with stupid people. They will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience” - Mark Twain

Thanks b789 - I will try to fully share everything from court from this point on, it was just my ignorance..

I suppose I might be also able to infer in the letter that while DCB Legal had told me what PoC they were filing, the recent court paper was my first indication that it had been accepted by court (didn't know if you wanted to mention anything about that in there?)

In any case, do I attach what you've provided as a pdf letter sent in an email to 'enquiries.kingston.countycourt@justice.gov.uk' ? Do I need to copy in DCB Legal or anything like that?

I'll be on it as soon as I hear your reply, thanks once again.
« Last Edit: April 25, 2025, 09:57:13 am by Hustler6969 »

Yes. Send it as a PDF attachment by email and you UST include a copy of everything that you send to the court, to the claimant (or their solicitor).

Address the email to BOTH the court and the claimant and CC in yourself. Only ONE email is needed, not a separate one to each party!
Never argue with stupid people. They will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience” - Mark Twain

Okay will send to both the court and the person from DCB Legal that sent me the PoCs in the first place. Thanks.

Hello again,

So as discussed, email with letter sent on 25/04 (this week) to court and the solicitor from DCBL Legal.

I got a call from my relative this morning that a lady (so potentially the named solicitor?) from 'DCBL or something' had rang him this morning, saying they wanted to speak to him on an important legal matter, and for him to answer some security questions. He claimed it wasn't convenient as he was driving at the time (which he was) so they asked him to call them back later when convenient. I asked him to send me the phone number he got a call from, it was +441606539160 - looking it up online some people claim its a scam, others do say it was DCBL Legal.

Question then - does he call back (bearing in mind there'll also be a language barrier on any legal detail) - and if so, how much does he say - and/or would not engaging with DCBL Legal be looked at unfavourably by court? For now I've asked him if they ring again to not get into anything and just ask them to just send an email with any updates/questions they have. I suppose she might've also been trying to gauge his eloquence/language barrier/litigation skills from the call?

Guidance would be appreciated.
« Last Edit: April 29, 2025, 11:19:25 am by Hustler6969 »

Do not answer their calls and do not phone them. All correspondence should be in writing only.