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Countrywide Parking Management - PCN issued at Doctors Surgery
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Good afternoon.

I received a parking charge notice from Countrywide Parking Management back in May this year.

I was sent to an out of area surgery for a consultation.  I arrived to a totally empty car park and straight away saw the signs advising free parking if you registered you vehicle.  I went straight to the desk and asked the staff member where the machine was to do this.  She answered that she would register it, asked me for my car registration, which I supplied, and she confirmed it was all done and I went to my appointment. 

A few weeks later got a PCN from CPM, with photos showing my car arriving at 14:49 and departing at 14:57 (12 minutes).  I immediately appealed and explained the staff member registered it.  They turned down my appeal.  In the meantime I tried to contact the clinic direct but kept getting emails saying 'its not us' and I have not been able to ascertain an email address for the clinic.  It is a hub for London Borough of Havering and is not listed anywhere so I could not get anyone to confirm what happened. 

I didn't hear anything further and assumed that the clinic had confirmed what happened but today I recieved a final demand.  I am not paying this under any circumstances as I registerd my vehicle the way the staff member advised.  If she had pointed to a machine I would of course used it but her asking for my registration led me to believe that was how you did it.

Do I just ignore this?  Write back?

I have just noticed that the 'contravention' is marked as happeneing at Tulasi Medical Practice RM9 5QP.  I did not visit that place.  I was at 'Parsloes Hub' with the same postcode, so they have not put the place where I parked on the invoice, hence when I contacted Tulasi they had never heard of me.  Perhaps this helps - the fact they have charged me for parking in a place that I was not parked at?

Thanks for your assistance.
« Last Edit: November 21, 2025, 03:39:41 pm by Feline007 »

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Re: Countrywide Parking Management - PCN issued at Doctors Surgery
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Can you show us both sides of the original Notice to Keeper (NtK) you received. AS for any debt recover letters, you can safely ignore those. Debt collectors are powerless to do anything except intimidate the low-hanging fruit on the gullible tree into paying out of ignorance and fear.

What EXACTLY did you put in your appeal?
Never argue with stupid people. They will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience” - Mark Twain

Re: Countrywide Parking Management - PCN issued at Doctors Surgery
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I don't have a copy as it was using their online portal, but I just basically told the truth of what happened.  I did not at that point realise the place they said I parked was different to where I actually parked.  I have scanned the letters and the upload link is here - hopefully I have done it correctly.

https://imgpile.com/p/nS7DJRv
« Last Edit: November 21, 2025, 06:25:48 pm by Feline007 »

Re: Countrywide Parking Management - PCN issued at Doctors Surgery
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Unfortunately, you have cropped off the most important date we need to see on the copy of the ONLY document we need to see, the original NtK. The reminders are as useful as a poke in the arm with a sharp stick.

For now, just tell us the date the original NtK was issued. Not the date of the alleged contravention.

I am going to assume that in your appeal, whilst trying to be truthful, you, the Keeper, identified as the Driver. For future reference, you must never, ever, EVER, identify the driver. They have no idea who that is until you blab it to them, inadvertently or otherwise.

All you had to do when appealing as the Keeper is to refer to the driver in the third person. No “I did this or that“, only “the driver did this or that”.

In this case, if you have identified as the driver, you have lost whole lot of extra protection, However, there is no evidence of actual parking. Their ANPR only shows entry and exit of the land, not time parked.

Their ANPR only NtK states that the charge relates to “the period of parking”, which it does not. Many claims have been thrown out by clever judges who understand the nuance of these spurious claims.

For now, please tell us the date the initial NtK was issued and confirm whether the Keeper has been identified as the driver.
Never argue with stupid people. They will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience” - Mark Twain

Re: Countrywide Parking Management - PCN issued at Doctors Surgery
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Apologies for the delay.

The NTKis dated 5th June 2025.

Date of event is the 28th May 2025.

It refers to a parking charge that is unpaid, but there was no parking charge to pay.  It was free parking at a doctors surgery.  To park you had to register your vehicle, which I did to the staff member.

Unfortunately you are correct - I did naively write 'i did etc' so confirmed I am the driver.  I will not be so gullible in fiture.

I cannot find a record of my appeal but I did explain I drove in, saw the signs, went to the desk, gave my registration details, was seen straight away and then left.  All within 12 minutes.

Is there anything I should so at this stage?

Really appreciate the advice.

Re: Countrywide Parking Management - PCN issued at Doctors Surgery
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You can safely ignore all debt recovery demands. Debt collectors are powerless to do anything except to try and intimidate the low-hanging fruit on the gullible tree into paying up out of ignorance and fear.

This will eventually escalate to a county court claim. That is a good thing. They really don't want to have to explain themselves in format of a judge and they are only doing this to intimidate you. The odds of it ever reaching a hearing are slim to none.

However, you will have to respond and defend any claim. Are you prepared to do so? We will advise every step of the way.

In the meantime here are a couple of complaints you can send. First is to Parsloes Hub (you can also adapt for London Borough of Barking & Dagenham / Havering if they have oversight of the hub’s contract):

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Subject: Urgent complaint – private parking ticket issued at Parsloes Hub

Dear Sir/Madam,

I am writing to complain about a private parking charge issued to me after a recent appointment at Parsloes Hub.

Date of visit: 28 May 2025
Time on site: 14:49 to 14:57 (according to the operator’s photos)
Vehicle registration: [VRM]
Private Parking Company: Countrywide Parking Management Ltd
PCN reference: [PCN number]

On arrival, I saw signs in your car park stating that parking was free but that motorists must register their vehicle. I immediately went to the reception desk and asked how to do this.

Your staff member told me she would register my vehicle herself, asked for my registration number, and confirmed that it was done. I relied on that assurance and went straight in for my consultation. I was the only car in the car park and my visit lasted less than eight minutes in total from entrance to the car park to exit.

Despite following the instructions given by your staff, I have now received a £100 “Parking Charge Notice”. The notice wrongly states the location as “Tulasi Medical Practice RM9 5QP”, even though I was parked at Parsloes Hub. My initial appeal to the parking company was rejected. I have since received a “final demand” threatening further action.

This situation is extremely distressing. I did exactly what your signage and your staff told me to do. If the member of staff failed to enter my registration correctly, that is a failing on the part of your contractor or staff, not mine. It is not acceptable for patients attending medical appointments to be threatened with debt collection and court action in these circumstances.

I am asking you, as the landholder/client, to:

1. Instruct Countrywide Parking Management Ltd to immediately cancel PCN [PCN number], and
2. Confirm in writing that this has been done, so that I can have peace of mind.

I would also be grateful if you could review the process used by reception staff for registering vehicles, because it is clear from my experience that patients are being put at risk of unfair tickets through no fault of their own.

I look forward to your urgent written confirmation that the parking charge has been cancelled.

Yours faithfully,

[Your name]

Send a formal complaint to CPM by email (via their appeals/”contact us” portal)

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Subject: Formal complaint & notice of dispute – PCN [ref], vehicle [VRM]

Dear Sirs,

I refer to Parking Charge Notice [PCN number] issued by Countrywide Parking Management Ltd (“CPM”) to vehicle [VRM] for an alleged contravention on 28 May 2025, timed 14:49 to 14:57.

I dispute any liability for this charge. There was no breach of any parking terms, and CPM’s own trade body Code, as well as basic consumer protection law, has been breached.

1. Staff authorisation – I complied with the instructions given
On arrival at the car park at Parsloes Hub, I saw signage stating that parking was free but that motorists must register their vehicle. I immediately went to the reception desk to ask how to do this.

The receptionist told me she would register my vehicle herself, asked for my registration number, and confirmed that it was done. I then went straight in for my consultation and left immediately afterwards.

Your own images show my car on site for eight minutes in total. At all times I was acting in reliance on the clear assurance given by the reception staff, who were acting as agents for the landholder and, by extension, your company.

If the registration was not correctly entered onto your system, that is entirely down to your agent and your processes. I fulfilled all obligations placed on me by the signage. It is not open to CPM to profit from its own or its principal’s failure.

2. Mandatory consideration period – no contract could have been breached
The Private Parking Single Code of Practice, jointly adopted by the BPA and IPC, requires operators to allow a reasonable consideration period for drivers to enter, read the terms, decide whether to park and comply, or leave, before any liability can arise.

Your own ANPR timestamps show an on-site period of eight minutes. In that time I:
– entered the car park,
– read the new parking signs,
– went straight to reception to ask how to register,
– provided my registration number to your principal’s staff member and was told it was done,
– attended a brief consultation, and
– left.

Ticketing a patient in these circumstances is plainly incompatible with your obligations under the PPSCoP and any IPC Code of Practice that applied at the time. No reasonable consideration period was allowed and no enforceable contract to pay a charge ever arose.

3. Incorrect site description – “Tulasi Medical Practice” is not where I parked
The Notice states that the contravention occurred at “Tulasi Medical Practice RM9 5QP”. I did not park at Tulasi Medical Practice. I parked at Parsloes Hub, which happens to share the same postcode.

This mis-describes the location and fails to “specify the land on which the vehicle was parked” as required by Schedule 4 of the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012 if you wish to rely on keeper liability. It also raises serious doubts about the accuracy of your records and the mapping between your ANPR system and the correct site.

Given that the alleged site is wrong, the charge is, on its face, invalid.

4. Consumer law and unfair commercial practice
By issuing a charge in spite of your agent’s assurance that my vehicle had been registered, CPM is engaging in a misleading commercial practice contrary to Part 4 (Unfair Commercial Practices) of the Digital Markets, Competition and Consumers Act 2024. A consumer who has done exactly what they were told to do by staff should not be pursued for £100.

5. Required outcome
In light of the above, I require CPM to:
– Cancel PCN [PCN number] immediately; and
– Confirm in writing within 28 days that this matter is closed and that my personal data will not be further processed or passed to any third party for “debt recovery” purposes.

Should CPM refuse to cancel, then:
– I will treat this as a formal complaint and reserve the right to escalate to the landholder and relevant authorities including the ICO, and
– I require you either to issue a fully compliant Letter of Claim in accordance with the Pre-Action Protocol for Debt Claims or to confirm that no further action will be taken. I will not enter into any correspondence with debt collection agents, who are not a party to any alleged contract and have no standing.

Any continuation of this matter in the face of the facts above will be relied upon later in support of a request for costs on the grounds of unreasonable conduct, in the event that CPM elects to issue a claim and then fails.

Yours faithfully,

[Your name]

For now, you can safely ignore all debt demands. Come back when you receive a Letter of Claim (LoC).
Never argue with stupid people. They will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience” - Mark Twain

Re: Countrywide Parking Management - PCN issued at Doctors Surgery
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Absolutely fantastic.  I will do that straight away.  I could not find the email address of Parsloes Hub when I tried before.  3 times I emailed people thinking it was Parsloes Hub but they were the Tulasi proactice and a few others that have very similar names.  I will try again however, and send the other email to CPM.  Yes I am very ready to defend this.

Re: Countrywide Parking Management - PCN issued at Doctors Surgery
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I have found out there is no dedicated email address as it is a hub where people are sent from different surgeries so I have written them a letter and will post it instead.

Re: Countrywide Parking Management - PCN issued at Doctors Surgery
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If you need to send anything by post, do not use recorded or tracked delivery. For any correspondence where you may later need to prove it was sent, simply post it first class and obtain a free proof of posting receipt from any Post Office.

Under section 7 of the Interpretation Act 1978, a document properly addressed, prepaid and posted is deemed to be served in the ordinary course of post. If the intended recipient later claims it was never received, your proof of posting is usually sufficient evidence that it was duly served, unless they can produce strong evidence to the contrary.
Never argue with stupid people. They will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience” - Mark Twain

Re: Countrywide Parking Management - PCN issued at Doctors Surgery
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Thank you!  I would have sent it as recorded delivery so that's great advice.  I'll do that when I post it today.
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Re: Countrywide Parking Management - PCN issued at Doctors Surgery
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Hi, I have just been sent a letter from BWLegal on behalf of Countrywide Parking Management.  They are offereing 'helpful' payment plans for the £170 debt.  If I dont respond by January 6th they will send a notice of Claim.  I have scanned the document and it is here:

https://imgpile.com/p/Cxg6qiA

This is the 8 minutes parking at a free car park in the doctors surgery.

Do I respond?

Re: Countrywide Parking Management - PCN issued at Doctors Surgery
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For now, you can safely ignore all debt demands. Come back when you receive a Letter of Claim (LoC).

Re: Countrywide Parking Management - PCN issued at Doctors Surgery
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Did you not properly read that letter?

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Next stages if we do not hear from you

If you do not make payment of the balance in full or accept the pre-approved offer by 06 January 2026 then your case may proceed to our legal process and the next letter from us would be a Letter of Claim.

As already advised, more than once, come back when you receive and actual LoC. Anything else is just useless debt recovery cr@p and can be safely ignored.
Never argue with stupid people. They will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience” - Mark Twain

Re: Countrywide Parking Management - PCN issued at Doctors Surgery
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Apologies, I missed that bit.  I have also had an email from them (no idea how they got my email address) but will ignore all until the LOC arrives. Thank you.

Re: Countrywide Parking Management - PCN issued at Doctors Surgery
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Email is the best medium with which to maintain communication with them.
Never argue with stupid people. They will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience” - Mark Twain
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