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Hi,

This has been received in the post from Horizon Parking.
















This is where the anpr image is caught





Thanks in advance!
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Re: ANPR - Horizon Parking - Hotel Nelson Norwich
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You have obscured too much.
https://www.ftla.uk/private-parking-tickets/read-this-first-private-parking-charges-forum-guide/
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3. Post the notice(s) you have received – as well as providing important context, the notices may contain/omit details that can be used to help you successfully fight the charge. Upload photos of any and all notices you have received from the parking company. You should show us all pages of the notice(s), remove personal details (name/address, PCN reference number, Vehicle Registration Mark), but show us all dates and times. Details that you think are trivial could help you win, so don’t leave anything out.

Re: ANPR - Horizon Parking - Hotel Nelson Norwich
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You have obscured too much.
https://www.ftla.uk/private-parking-tickets/read-this-first-private-parking-charges-forum-guide/
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3. Post the notice(s) you have received – as well as providing important context, the notices may contain/omit details that can be used to help you successfully fight the charge. Upload photos of any and all notices you have received from the parking company. You should show us all pages of the notice(s), remove personal details (name/address, PCN reference number, Vehicle Registration Mark), but show us all dates and times. Details that you think are trivial could help you win, so don’t leave anything out.

Apologies, I think it's all right now assuming I havent revealed too much?

Re: ANPR - Horizon Parking - Hotel Nelson Norwich
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Hoping someone can give me some advice :)

Re: ANPR - Horizon Parking - Hotel Nelson Norwich
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I sometimes park there for football but you have to park on the bit on left before that camera

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You are the registered keeper. You are not admitting who was driving and you are not required to do so. Your position is that Horizon have issued a parking charge for the wrong area and they cannot prove the vehicle was parked on land where Horizon’s terms apply.

The location is not a single, clearly defined car park. On entry there is a sign stating “Customer and guest car park”, but it is positioned parallel to the roadway rather than facing approaching drivers and it does not set out any contractual terms. It merely directs drivers to look for other signs inside the site.

Further in, there is a high-mounted Horizon tariff board on the right which sets out tariffs for Premier Inn guests, Table Table customers, Costa customers and “just want to park”. That sign is plainly aimed at the joint use customer and guest car park for those businesses.

Separately, there is a directional sign on the left, which is not a Horizon sign, clearly distinguishing a different area. It directs “Hotel guest parking” ahead, but separately directs “Charles & Wensum House car park (permit holders only)” to the left. The driver followed that instruction and parked in the Charles & Wensum House permit holders only area, not in the Premier Inn/customer car park to which Horizon’s tariff sign relates.

Within the Charles & Wensum House car park itself, there is only a single wall-mounted sign. This is plainly a legacy sign referring to clamping of unauthorised vehicles. There are no Horizon signs in that area and no signage offering parking on terms, no requirement to pay, and no instruction to register a vehicle. There is therefore no Horizon contractual offer in that area capable of being accepted by a driver.

If the Charles & Wensum House car park is, as signed, “permit holders only”, then by definition it is not offering parking to non-permit holders on contractual terms. A non-permit holder cannot be contractually bound to pay a parking charge in an area where parking is not offered to them at all. At most, a non-permit holder would be a trespasser.

Trespass is a matter for the landowner only. Horizon are not the landowner and have no standing to pursue a claim in trespass. Even if the landowner were pursuing trespass, the only recoverable sum would be nominal damages for actual loss. There was no loss caused here, so no damages would arise in any event. Horizon cannot convert an alleged trespass into a contractual parking charge.

Horizon’s allegation is “Failure to pay or register for the full duration of the stay (ANPR)”. ANPR only shows a vehicle passing cameras at the perimeter of the wider site. It does not show where the vehicle was parked and does not establish that it was parked in a location subject to Horizon’s contractual terms. Horizon must therefore be put to strict proof of the vehicle’s actual parked location and the signage that applied at that precise location.

You clearly hold contemporaneous photographs of all signage encountered along the route taken into the site and within the area where the vehicle was parked, together with a map showing the route taken and the exact parking location. These images demonstrate that the route taken leads directly to the Charles & Wensum House permit holders only car park and that there are no Horizon contractual terms displayed in that area.

You should preserve this evidence carefully. The original digital photographs should be retained in their original form so that the metadata can be relied upon. The EXIF data showing the date and time the photographs were taken should be extracted or screenshotted, as this provides independent proof that the images are contemporaneous with the material period. These timestamps should be kept with the photographs and submitted if required, particularly at POPLA or if the matter were ever escalated further.

You should also retain the Google Street View map with the route taken clearly marked and the parking location identified, as this assists in demonstrating how a driver is directed away from the Horizon-controlled customer car park and into a separate permit-only area.

Your appeal, as keeper only, should require cancellation unless Horizon can provide strict proof of all of the following.

First, a contemporaneous site boundary plan and landowner contract showing that the Charles & Wensum House permit holders only car park is included within Horizon’s enforcement area and that Horizon has authority there to offer parking contracts and pursue charges in its own name.

Second, photographs of Horizon contractual terms signage located within the Charles & Wensum House car park itself, taken from the driver’s route and from the parked location, demonstrating a clear offer to park on terms and a requirement to pay or register.

Third, an explanation of how a contractual parking charge can arise in an area signed as “permit holders only”, where the only on-site sign refers to clamping and no Horizon terms are displayed.

If Horizon cannot evidence these points, then no contract was formed, no breach can be established, and the parking charge must be cancelled.

If Horizon reject and issue a POPLA code, you should repeat the same position: Horizon have not proven the vehicle was parked on land subject to their terms; there were no Horizon contractual terms displayed in the Charles & Wensum House permit holders only area; any alleged non-permit parking could only sound in trespass, which Horizon has no standing to pursue and which would give rise to no recoverable loss; and ANPR evidence does not prove parking location or contractual liability.

As any initial appeal is unlikely to succeed, because there is no money in it for them, you should simply appeal, ONLY as the Keeper with the following:

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I am the registered keeper. I dispute your parking charge and I am not identifying the driver.

This PCN has been issued for the wrong area and your ANPR images do not prove where the vehicle was parked. The vehicle was parked in the Charles & Wensum House car park, which is clearly signed as permit holders only via the on-site directional signage. In that permit-holder area there are no Horizon contractual terms and no pay or registration instructions. The only sign present there is a legacy clamping warning, which is plainly not your ANPR pay/registration regime.

If the area is permit holders only, there is no contractual offer to non-permit holders and no driver could be contractually bound to pay a parking charge. At most, parking without a permit would be trespass, which only the landowner can pursue and only for nominal loss. You are not the landowner and there was no loss.

Cancel the charge, or provide the following strict proof so the keeper can understand your case.

1. A contemporaneous site plan and boundary map showing that Charles & Wensum House car park is within your enforcement area for this site.
2. A copy of the landowner contract confirming you are authorised to operate and enforce in that specific permit-holder area.
3. Photographs of the signage within Charles & Wensum House car park that you say created any obligation to pay or register, taken from the driver’s route and from the parked location.

If you reject, you must issue a POPLA code.

If/when they reject, come back and we can assist with a comprehensive POPLA appeal. You will have 33 days from the date of the rejection to submit your POPLA appeal.
Never argue with stupid people. They will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience” - Mark Twain

Re: ANPR - Horizon Parking - Hotel Nelson Norwich
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If/when they reject, come back and we can assist with a comprehensive POPLA appeal. You will have 33 days from the date of the rejection to submit your POPLA appeal.

I now understand your title on this forum.



What a legend, and to go into such fine detail. My mind is blown. Have the best Christmas!!!
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Re: ANPR - Horizon Parking - Hotel Nelson Norwich
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As any initial appeal is unlikely to succeed, because there is no money in it for them, you should simply appeal, ONLY as the Keeper with the following:


Just to be clear, I shouldn't share any of these images with horizon on the appeal submission? Wait for POPLA?

Re: ANPR - Horizon Parking - Hotel Nelson Norwich
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Correct. These firms almost never accept an initial appeal. Don't waste your time or effort on it.

Make sure you get the metadata from your photos. There are plenty of apps out these that can extract that data and put a timestamp on the photos.
Never argue with stupid people. They will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience” - Mark Twain

Re: ANPR - Horizon Parking - Hotel Nelson Norwich
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Correct. These firms almost never accept an initial appeal. Don't waste your time or effort on it.

Make sure you get the metadata from your photos. There are plenty of apps out these that can extract that data and put a timestamp on the photos.

Gotcha, thanks!

Re: ANPR - Horizon Parking - Hotel Nelson Norwich
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If/when they reject, come back and we can assist with a comprehensive POPLA appeal. You will have 33 days from the date of the rejection to submit your POPLA appeal.

Hey! Rejection has just come in...

Thank you for your recent correspondence concerning the above-referenced Parking Charge.
 
Review of your Appeal
 
The Parking Charge was issued lawfully and in full and proper accordance with the Private Parking Sector Single Code of Practice issued by the British Parking Association (the ‘BPA’).
 
There are signs located at the entrance to, and within the car park, that state the terms and conditions that apply when parking.
 
As clearly stipulated on signage within the car park, payment or registration for parking must be made for the full duration of the vehicles stay.  Our systems do not show any evidence of payment or registration made against this vehicle on the incident date.
 
The signs throughout the car park are clear and comply fully with the BPA’s prescribed rules and regulations.  When parking on private land, it is the driver’s responsibility to ensure they adhere to the terms and conditions of the car park concerned.
 
As we have not been provided with the name and a serviceable address for the driver/hirer, under Schedule 4 of the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, we do have the right, subject to meeting the requirements of the Act, to recover from the Registered Keeper the amount that remains outstanding. We have obtained the name and address of the registered keeper of the vehicle from the DVLA for the purposes of enforcing this charge.
 
Please note that your vehicle was found to be parked in the designated Premier Inn area of the car park instead of the permit parking area which is situated before our camera capture zone.
 
If parking cannot be made without breaching the terms and conditions of the car park, alternative parking arrangements must be sought or motorists will be issued with a Parking Charge as per the car park terms stated on the signage on site.
 
Given the above, and whilst we have considered your representations carefully, on this occasion your appeal has been rejected.
 
 
The Charge Amount and Methods of Payment
 
In good faith, Horizon will hold the charge at the current amount of £60 for a further 14 days from the date of this correspondence to allow you further time to pay.
 
Payment of the outstanding charge can be made using our 24-hour payment line: 020 8106 0789 or online at Horizon Parking Portal
 
Alternatively, payment can be made via cheque made payable to Horizon Parking Ltd and posted to Horizon Parking Ltd, Finitor House, 2 Hanbury Road, Chelmsford, Essex, CM1 3AE.
 
Additional Types of Appeal
 
If you have no evidence that you wish to submit to us, then you have now reached the end of our appeals procedure.  Although we have rejected your appeal, the Parking On Private Land Appeals (POPLA) provides an independent appeals service. To use this service, you must appeal to POPLA within 28 days of the date of this correspondence.
 
For full instructions on how to appeal to POPLA, please visit their website at www.popla.co.uk. If you would rather progress this matter by post, please contact our Appeals Office and we will send you the necessary paperwork.
 
Your POPLA reference number is XXXXXXXXXX
 
Please be advised that if you elect for independent arbitration of your case, you will be required to pay the charge at the full amount and, as such, will no longer qualify for payment at the reduced rate. Please also be advised that POPLA will not accept an appeal where payment is made against the Parking Charge in question.
 
We are required by law to inform you that Ombudsman Services (www.ombudsman-services.org/) provides an alternative dispute resolution service that would be competent to deal with your appeal; however, Horizon has not chosen to participate in their alternative dispute resolution service.  As such, should you wish to appeal, then you must do so to POPLA as explained above.
 
Yours sincerely,
 
Appeals Department
Horizon Parking Limited