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Re: Alliance Parking PCN - Padstow Harbour South Quay car park
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Yes. If/when they send a Letter of Claim (LoC) or the actual claim, come back and we'll advise. In the meantime, simply ignore all debt collector letters. They are powerless to do anything except scare the gullible into paying them.
Never argue with stupid people. They will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience” - Mark Twain
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Re: Alliance Parking PCN - Padstow Harbour South Quay car park
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I just recieved a letter from a "debt recovery firm", I assume the same advice still stands & to just ignore the letter? Is there any benefit/negative to contac them & tell them I do not agree I owe the dept?

Re: Alliance Parking PCN - Padstow Harbour South Quay car park
« Reply #17 on: »
Yes.
No.
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A debt collector is not a party to any contract allegedly breached by the driver. It's exactly the same as if I now send you a debt collection letter saying you owe £100 to Alliance Parking. Because you haven't paid it yet, you now must pay me £170 or I'll tell Alliance that you haven't done so and to sue your @rse off.

Why would you bother responding to me?
Never argue with stupid people. They will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience” - Mark Twain
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Re: Alliance Parking PCN - Padstow Harbour South Quay car park
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After a couple of "please pay us, or we might do something about it" letters, I recieved a LOC today, which I've attached (removing any names/unique reference numbers etc)

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Re: Alliance Parking PCN - Padstow Harbour South Quay car park
« Reply #20 on: »
Just email them back at help@moorsidelegal.co.uk and CC yourself with the following:

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Dear Sirs,

Your Letter Before Claim contains insufficient detail of the claim and fails to provide copies of evidence your client places reliance upon and thus is in complete contravention of the Pre-Action Protocol for Debt Claims.

Because your letter lacks specificity and breaches the requirements of the Pre-Action Protocol for Debt Claims (paragraphs 3.1(a)-(d), 5.1 and 5.2) as well as the Practice Direction - Pre-Action Conduct (paragraphs 6(a) and 6(c)), you must treat this letter as a formal request for all of the documents/information that the protocol now requires your client to provide. Your client must not issue proceedings without complying with that protocol.

As solicitors you must surely be familiar with the requirements of both the Practice Direction and the Pre-Action Protocol for debt claims and your client, as a serial litigator of debt claims, should likewise be aware of them. As you (and your client) must know, the Practice Direction and Protocol bind all potential litigants, whatever the size or type of the claim. Its express purpose is to assist parties in understanding the claim and their respective positions in relation to it, to enable parties to take stock of their positions and to negotiate a settlement, or at least narrow the issues, without incurring the costs of court proceedings or using up valuable court time. It is embarrassing that a firm of Solicitors are sending a consumer a vague and un-evidenced 'Letter of Claim' in complete ignorance of the pre-existing Practice Direction and the Pre-Action Protocol.

I confirm that, once I am in receipt of a Letter Before Claim that complies with the requirements of para 3.1 (a) of the Pre-Action Protocol, I shall then seek advice and submit a formal response within 30 days, as required by the Protocol. Thus, I require your client to comply with its obligations by sending me the following information/documents:

1. An explanation of the cause of action
2. whether they are pursuing me as driver or keeper
3. whether they are relying on the provisions of Schedule 4 of POFA 2012
4. what the details of the claim are; for how long it is claimed the vehicle was parked, how the monies being claimed arose and have been calculated
5. Is the claim for a contractual breach? If so, what is the date of the agreement? The names of the parties to it and provide to me a copy of that contract.
6. If the claim is for a contractual breach, photographs showing the vehicle was parked in contravention of said contract.
7. Is the claim for trespass? If so, provide details.
8. Provide me a copy of the contract with the landowner under which they assert authority to bring the claim, as required by the BPA/IPC Private Parking Single Code of Practice (PPSCoP).
9. a plan showing where any signs were displayed
10. Photographs of the signs displayed (size of sign, size of font, height at which displayed) at the time of any alleged contravention.
11. Provide details of the original charge, and detail any interest and administrative or other charges added
12. Am I to understand that the additional £70 represents what is dressed up as a 'Debt Recovery' fee, and if so, is this nett or inclusive of VAT? If the latter, would you kindly explain why I am being asked to pay the operator’s VAT?
13. With regard to the principal alleged PCN sum: Is this damages, or will it be pleaded as consideration for parking?

I am clearly entitled to this information under paragraphs 6(a) and 6(c) of the Practice Direction. I also need it in order to comply with my own obligations under paragraph 6(b).

If your client does not provide me with this information then I put you on notice that I will be relying on the cases of Webb Resolutions Ltd v Waller Needham & Green [2012] EWHC 3529 (Ch), Daejan Investments Limited v The Park West Club Limited (Part 20) Buxton Associates [2003] EWHC 2872, Charles Church Developments Ltd v Stent Foundations Limited & Peter Dann Limited [2007] EWHC 855 in asking the court to impose sanctions on your client and to order a stay of the proceedings, pursuant to paragraphs 13, 15(b) and (c) and 16 of the Practice Direction, as referred to in paragraph 7.2 of the Protocol.

Until your client has complied with its obligations and provided this information, I am unable to respond properly to the alleged claim and to consider my position in relation to it, and it is entirely premature (and a waste of costs and court time) for your client to issue proceedings. Should your client do so, then I will seek an immediate stay pursuant to paragraph 15(b) of the Practice Direction and an order that this information is provided.

Yours faithfully,

[Your name]
Never argue with stupid people. They will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience” - Mark Twain

Re: Alliance Parking PCN - Padstow Harbour South Quay car park
« Reply #21 on: »
Many thanks, I'll send that back to them & see what they respond with.

I assume there's no issue sending this via email only, rather than via post?

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I assume there's no issue sending this via email only, rather than via post?
None at all
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Re: Alliance Parking PCN - Padstow Harbour South Quay car park
« Reply #23 on: »
Why would you send anything by post if you can email it? Email is instant and you have a record of sending and delivery. No trees are harmed in the process either!
Never argue with stupid people. They will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience” - Mark Twain

Re: Alliance Parking PCN - Padstow Harbour South Quay car park
« Reply #24 on: »
Why would you send anything by post if you can email it? Email is instant and you have a record of sending and delivery. No trees are harmed in the process either!

Completely my opinion!

I just know some things/processes are particularly fussy about the medium of delivery (e.g. my mortgage paperwork had to be returned physically, it couldn't be emailed), so just wanted to check this wasn't one of the similar things!

Re: Alliance Parking PCN - Padstow Harbour South Quay car park
« Reply #25 on: »
Thanks to all for the very helpful information in this thread. thingie2, would you mind sharing how this resolved after you sent the response to the letter of claim? I’m in a similar circumstance and am curious to know if that was it, or it went any further? Thanks

Re: Alliance Parking PCN - Padstow Harbour South Quay car park
« Reply #26 on: »
@thingie2 has not been active on here since July. Some people come here, take the advice and either don't use it or just don't bother to keep us updated. Nothing we can do about that.

If you have a PCN for the same location, please start your own thread and we can advise accordingly.
Never argue with stupid people. They will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience” - Mark Twain
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