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Re: Uxbridge industrial estate
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Since this land is not relevant under PoFA, the Keeper cannot be held liable.

This is not correct. The land is "relevant" for the purposes of PoFA. The Notice to Keeper is not PoFA compliant, and so the creditor cannot transfer liability from the unknown driver to the known Keeper.

Getting there. Maybe expand a bit on each point. You have to assume the POPLA assessor is a bit dull and needs leading by the nose to the point you are making.
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Re: Uxbridge industrial estate
« Reply #31 on: »
Does this sound better

POPLA Appeal Submission

Appellant: [Your Full Name]
POPLA Verification Code: [Insert Code]
Operator: [Insert Operator Name]
PCN Number: [Insert PCN Number]
Date of Notice: [Insert Date]
Vehicle Registration: [Insert VRM]



Grounds of Appeal



1. Inadequate Location Description

The Notice to Keeper (NtK) fails to comply with the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012 (PoFA) Schedule 4, Paragraph 9(2)(a), which requires that the notice must “specify the land on which the vehicle was parked.” Instead, the NtK ambiguously states:

“UXBRIDGE IND EST, Wallingford Rd, Salisbury Rd, Arundel Rd, UXBRIDGE, UB8 2RZ”

This reference is vague and fails to identify a specific location. The roads mentioned span a wide area and are not collectively covered by the single postcode UB8 2RZ. Moreover, UB8 2RZ does not include all those roads, and the alleged incident actually occurred at a different postcode (UB8 2RP). This renders the location description misleading and non-compliant with PoFA, as it does not allow the registered keeper to determine where the vehicle was allegedly parked.



2. No ‘Period of Parking’ Specified

The NtK merely presents a single timestamp. However, PoFA Schedule 4, Paragraph 9(2)(a) requires the notice to “specify the period of parking to which the notice relates.” A single point in time cannot logically represent a period. This issue was addressed in Brennan v Premier Parking Solutions (2023) [H6DP632H], where it was held that:

“A timestamp alone is insufficient to demonstrate a period of parking.”

This NtK therefore fails to evidence any contravention, and it does not establish the basis for keeper liability.



3. Allegation is Prohibitive, Not Contractual

The alleged contravention is described as:

“Parking in a No Parking Area.”

This wording implies a prohibition, not a contractual offer. As held in PCM v Bull (2016) [B4GF26K6], signage that forbids parking altogether cannot form the basis of a contract, as there is no offer to accept and no consideration to form a binding agreement. Without the existence of a contract, there can be no breach—and thus no liability under contract law or PoFA.



4. Failure to Identify the Creditor

PoFA Schedule 4, Paragraph 9(2)(h) requires the NtK to “identify the creditor.” This must be a specific legal entity—the party to whom any money would be owed.

The NtK states:

“We, the creditor, require payment…”

But it fails to define who “we” is. This lack of clarity breaches the legal requirement under PoFA and renders the notice invalid. A keeper cannot be expected to discharge liability to an unidentified party.



5. Keeper Not Liable – Driver Not Identified

The operator has not identified the driver, nor have they demonstrated any legal basis to assume that the Keeper was the driver. In VCS v Edward (2023), HHJ Gargan held:

“Simply because somebody is the registered keeper does not mean, on balance of probability, they were driving…”

No evidence has been provided to suggest who was driving at the time. Since PoFA conditions have not been met (as outlined above), the operator cannot transfer liability to the Keeper. There is no driver identification, and no basis for keeper liability.



Conclusion

This appeal must be allowed. The NtK is fundamentally non-compliant with PoFA due to:
   •   Inadequate and misleading location description
   •   Absence of a specified period of parking
   •   Prohibitive signage that cannot form a contract
   •   Failure to identify the creditor
   •   No evidence identifying the driver, and no lawful keeper liability

I respectfully request that POPLA uphold this appeal and cancel the Parking Charge Notice.

Kind regards,
[Your Full Name]
[Date]

Re: Uxbridge industrial estate
« Reply #32 on: »
No period of parking specified is not only a PoFA breach but it is also evidence that no contract could have been formed if they cannot prove thatcher vehicle was parked for more than the minimum consideration period.

You also want to put them to strict proof of a valid contract flowing from the landowner authorising the operator to issue PCNs at the location.
Never argue with stupid people. They will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience” - Mark Twain

Re: Uxbridge industrial estate
« Reply #33 on: »
Ok added that info in

POPLA Appeal Submission

Appellant: [Your Full Name]
POPLA Verification Code: [Insert Code]
Operator: [Insert Operator Name]
PCN Number: [Insert PCN Number]
Date of Notice: [Insert Date]
Vehicle Registration: [Insert VRM]



Grounds of Appeal



1. Inadequate Location Description

The Notice to Keeper (NtK) fails to comply with the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012 (PoFA) Schedule 4, Paragraph 9(2)(a), which requires the notice to “specify the land on which the vehicle was parked.” The notice merely states:

“UXBRIDGE IND EST, Wallingford Rd, Salisbury Rd, Arundel Rd, UXBRIDGE, UB8 2RZ”

This is not a single, specific location but a broad collection of roads across a large industrial area. In fact, UB8 2RZ does not cover all of these roads; the alleged contravention occurred at a different postcode (UB8 2RP). The location is therefore vague, ambiguous, and misleading—failing the statutory requirement of specificity under PoFA.



2. No ‘Period of Parking’ Specified – Breach of PoFA & Failure to Establish Contract

The NtK only states a single timestamp rather than a period of parking, breaching PoFA Schedule 4 Paragraph 9(2)(a), which clearly requires:

“The period of parking to which the notice relates.”

This deficiency was confirmed in Brennan v Premier Parking Solutions (2023) [H6DP632H], where the court held that a timestamp does not constitute a “period.”

Moreover, if the operator cannot demonstrate how long the vehicle was parked, they cannot establish that any parking occurred beyond the consideration or grace period. This undermines their entire claim. A contract cannot be formed without:
   •   An offer
   •   Acceptance
   •   Consideration

If the duration of stay is not evidenced, then no acceptance or consideration can be presumed, and thus no contract could have been formed. Therefore, even if a sign were visible, it would not result in any enforceable agreement without proof of a measurable stay.



3. Allegation is Prohibitive, Not Contractual

The notice alleges:

“Parking in a No Parking Area”

This is a prohibition, not an invitation to park under certain terms. As per PCM v Bull (2016) [B4GF26K6], prohibitive signage is incapable of forming a contract because it offers no terms capable of acceptance. A sign forbidding parking cannot result in contractual liability. As such, no contract was entered into, and there can be no breach.



4. Failure to Identify the Creditor

PoFA Schedule 4, Paragraph 9(2)(h) requires the notice to:

“Identify the creditor.”

The NtK merely states:

“We, the creditor, require payment…”

This does not identify any specific legal entity. The term “we” could refer to the landowner, their managing agent, or the operator itself. This vagueness is a breach of the statutory requirement, as the keeper cannot be expected to discharge a liability to an unidentified party.



5. Lack of Landowner Authority – Strict Proof Required

I put the operator to strict proof of a valid and current contract with the landowner that:
   •   Specifically grants them authority to issue Parking Charge Notices (PCNs) at the precise location in question;
   •   Covers the relevant land (which is not clearly defined by the postcode used);
   •   Confers the right to take legal action in their own name.

Without such a contract, the operator has no standing to issue or enforce parking charges. This is a fundamental requirement confirmed in the BPA Code of Practice (Paragraph 7.1) and upheld in countless appeals.



6. Keeper Not Liable – Driver Not Identified

The operator has failed to identify the driver, and has not established the right to hold the registered keeper liable. As clearly stated in VCS v Edward (2023), HHJ Gargan ruled:

“Simply because somebody is the registered keeper does not mean, on balance of probability, they were driving…”

As PoFA compliance has not been achieved (per the above points), the operator has no legal basis to transfer liability to the Keeper, and has not shown who the driver was. There is no presumption in law that the Keeper was the driver.



Conclusion

This appeal should be upheld. The Parking Charge Notice is unenforceable due to:
   •   A vague and misleading location description
   •   Absence of a period of parking (both a PoFA breach and proof no contract could exist)
   •   Prohibitive signage that cannot form a contract
   •   Failure to identify the creditor
   •   Lack of demonstrated landowner authority
   •   No evidence of driver identity, and no keeper liability

Accordingly, I respectfully request that POPLA allow this appeal and cancel the charge.

Sincerely,
[Your Full Name]
[Date]

Re: Uxbridge industrial estate
« Reply #34 on: »
Here is a tidied up version of what you have put together:

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POPLA Appeal Submission

Appellant: [Your Full Name]
POPLA Verification Code: [Insert Code]
Operator: [Insert Operator Name]
PCN Number: [Insert PCN Number]
Date of Notice: [Insert Date]
Vehicle Registration: [Insert VRM]

Grounds of Appeal

1. Inadequate Location Description – Breach of PoFA Schedule 4, Paragraph 9(2)(a)

The Notice to Keeper (NtK) fails to comply with Paragraph 9(2)(a) of Schedule 4 of the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012 (PoFA), which requires the notice to “specify the land on which the vehicle was parked.”

The location stated on the NtK is:

UXBRIDGE IND EST, Wallingford Rd, Salisbury Rd, Arundel Rd, UXBRIDGE, UB8 2RZ

This is not a specific location but a generalised grouping of roads spanning a large industrial estate. In fact, the postcode UB8 2RZ does not even cover all the roads listed. The contravention, according to the operator’s own photographic evidence, occurred at a completely different postcode (UB8 2RP).

The NtK is vague, ambiguous and fails to meet the statutory requirement to "specify the land" where the vehicle was allegedly parked. A keeper receiving such a notice cannot reasonably ascertain where the incident took place. This is a clear breach of PoFA and invalidates any attempt to transfer liability to the registered keeper.

2. No ‘Period of Parking’ Stated – Breach of PoFA and Failure to Establish Contract

The NtK only provides a single timestamp rather than a period of parking. This breaches PoFA Schedule 4, Paragraph 9(2)(a), which states that the notice must:

Specify the period of parking to which the notice relates.

This deficiency was clarified in Brennan v Premier Parking Solutions (2023) [H6DP632H], where the court found that a timestamp is not the same as a “period” and does not satisfy the statutory requirement.

Furthermore, the operator has not shown that any parking took place beyond a reasonable consideration or grace period. Without establishing a specific and measurable duration of stay, the operator cannot demonstrate that any contractual relationship was formed.

A valid contract requires:

• An offer,
• Acceptance,
• Consideration.

In the absence of evidence showing a defined duration of parking, no acceptance or consideration can be presumed. This is a critical failure, both in terms of compliance with PoFA and in proving that a contractual agreement ever came into existence.

3. Prohibitive Signage – No Contract Formed

The alleged breach is described as:

Parking in a No Parking Area

This wording constitutes a prohibition, not an offer of terms that can form the basis of a contract. Where signage forbids an action entirely (i.e., parking is “not permitted”), no contract can be formed. This was confirmed in PCM v Bull (2016) [B4GF26K6], where the court held that a prohibitory notice cannot give rise to contractual liability.

In such cases, any alleged wrongdoing is more akin to trespass, which only the landowner (not a parking operator) may pursue through the courts. The operator cannot rely on contract law where no contractual terms were offered or accepted.

4. Failure to Identify the Creditor – Breach of PoFA Schedule 4, Paragraph 9(2)(h)

Paragraph 9(2)(h) of PoFA requires that the NtK:

Identify the creditor.

The NtK in this case merely states:

We, the creditor, require payment…

The word “we” is wholly insufficient to identify any specific legal entity. It could refer to the operator, the landowner, or some unnamed third party. The requirement under PoFA is not simply to label the notice as coming from “the creditor,” but to name the party to whom the alleged debt is owed.

Without this, the notice fails to comply with statutory requirements and the keeper cannot be held liable.

5. Lack of Landowner Authority – Operator Lacks Standing

I put the operator to strict proof that they have a current and valid contract with the landowner that:

• Grants authority to issue PCNs at the exact location in question;
• Confers the right to take enforcement action, including litigation, in the operator’s own name;
• Specifically includes the area identified in the photographs, not just the general industrial estate.

The BPA Code of Practice (Section 7.1) requires operators to have written authorisation for every site they manage. The contract must be specific to the land and must be made available upon request. In the absence of such proof, the operator has no legal standing and no right to pursue charges.

6. Driver Not Identified – Keeper Not Liable

The operator has not identified the driver, and no admission of driver identity has been made. They are therefore attempting to rely on PoFA to hold the keeper liable. However, as shown in all the preceding points, the NtK fails to meet multiple mandatory requirements under Schedule 4. The conditions for keeper liability have not been met.

As confirmed in VCS v Edward (2023), HHJ Gargan held that:

Simply because somebody is the registered keeper does not mean, on balance of probability, they were driving…

There is no presumption in law that the registered keeper was the driver, and the burden of proof remains with the operator.

Conclusion

This Parking Charge Notice is fundamentally flawed and unenforceable. The Notice to Keeper fails to comply with several provisions of PoFA and the signage on site is incapable of forming a contract. The operator has not demonstrated landowner authority, has not identified the driver, and cannot transfer liability to the registered keeper.

Accordingly, I respectfully request that POPLA uphold this appeal and cancel the charge.
Never argue with stupid people. They will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience” - Mark Twain

Re: Uxbridge industrial estate
« Reply #35 on: »
Great thanks

I’ll get this submitted

Re: Uxbridge industrial estate
« Reply #36 on: »
Popla have come back with PPS’s response to the claim.

Few photos too of my car and the parking signs and the road layout

"Dear Assessor,

The contract that we are seeking payment on has arisen from a breach of the notified terms and conditions of parking stated on the signs that the landowner has requested us to erect and permitted to remain erected at this location. The signage on site is located conspicuously around the site. The signs are legible and written in intelligible language. The entrance signs inform the drivers that they are entering private land and must be aware of the terms and conditions once they are within the car park. The terms and conditions and the potential consequences of non-adherence to the terms have been made fully available "Private Road. This car park is controlled by Warden Patrols. If you fail to comply with any of the terms and conditions stated below at any time, you agree to pay a £100 Parking Charge Notice. No parking, waiting, loading or unloading on the roads and footpaths at any time. No causing obstructions at any time".
The charge was issued because the appellant's vehicle was parked on private land in a no parking area, which is a direct contravention of the terms and conditions of parking. The photographic evidence shows vehicle registration XXXX XXX stationary on the road, where parking is not permitted under the site's terms and conditions. It can also be seen that the vehicle was parked at the entrance/exit of a car park, obstructing the free passage to/from the car park. By choosing to ignore the terms and remain, the appellant contravened the parking contract, and this has resulted in them being liable for a parking charge.
As there are no rules in that a PCN has to be fixed to a windscreen, we requested the registered keepers’ details from the Driver and Vehicle Licensing Agency (DVLA) and issued a Notice to Keeper (NTK) to the registered keeper at the address listed. As there are no rules in that a PCN has to be fixed to a windscreen, we requested the registered keepers’ details from the Driver and Vehicle Licensing Agency (DVLA) and issued a Notice to Keeper (NTK) to the registered keeper at the address listed. For a Notice to Keeper to be compliant with PoFA 2012, as detailed in section 9(2)(f) “warn the keeper that if, after the period of 28 days beginning with the day after that on which the notice is given— (i) the amount of the unpaid parking charges specified under paragraph (d) has not been paid in full, and (ii) the creditor does not know both the name of the driver and a current address for service for the driver, the creditor will (if all the applicable conditions under this Schedule are met) have the right to recover from the keeper so much of that amount as remains unpaid.” The Notice to Keeper correctly conveys this information. It states the keeper has ‘If after 29 days we have not received full payment or driver details’, which is the equivalent of ‘28 days beginning the day after the that on which the notice is given’. This is compliant with PoFA Act 2012 requirements. The evidence, however, does not indicate that the keeper provided us with the relevant information to transfer liability to the driver, and by failing to provide the driver's details, the appellant (the keeper) has assumed liability for this PCN.
The NTK indicates the location; the postcode on the NTK is sufficient for the motorist to determine where the vehicle was parked at the time of the contravention. According to the contract we have with the landowner, the site name is 'Uxbridge Industrial Estate.' The roads within the Uxbridge Industrial Estate are Wallingford Road, Salisbury Road, and Arundel Road. Together, these make up the 'Uxbridge Industrial Estate.’ The postcode refers to Uxbridge Industrial Estate, where the postcode on the PCN applies. The NTK does not need to specifically state the times of parking the NTK relate to, as long as it is clear from the NTK, which is 10:26. The evidence demonstrates that the vehicle was observed stationary in a no parking area for 44 seconds, which is the period of parking the NTK relates to. Private Parking Solutions (London) Ltd is identified as the creditor on the PCN. The parking charge is BPA and POFA 2012 compliant.
It is important to note that when entering private parking land, the landowner is entitled to set their own parking terms and conditions to form a contract with motorists. These terms are clearly set out in the signage on site. Landowners are under no obligation to allow use of their land if they do not wish to. In this case, the signage is placed at regular intervals, including at the entrance and throughout the controlled area. The signs are large, clearly visible, and use simple, jargon-free language. The signage communicates: “By parking on this land, you contractually agree to pay the displayed charge.” The text at the bottom of the sign further instructs motorists not to park unless they agree to the terms. This constitutes a contractual offer not to park and communicates that a driver choosing to disregard that instruction will incur a charge. Ultimately, it is the motorist’s responsibility to ensure they understand and comply with the site's terms before deciding to park."

Re: Uxbridge industrial estate
« Reply #37 on: »
Have they included a copy of the contract with the landowner? Simply telling us what they provided is just not good enough. Host the evidence pack on Google Drive and give us a link that we can use to see their 'evidence'!!!!
Never argue with stupid people. They will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience” - Mark Twain

Re: Uxbridge industrial estate
« Reply #38 on: »
https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fo/jdqctvnagw7k56pj5jmca/AEBrHcvwMH0ye6ZzjVqp-zQ?rlkey=reaj5e1kv0j24a2jsx0k6sc63&st=0ujbjlyo&dl=0


All evidence here. I only included 2 photos of the car

Contact with land owner included

Re: Uxbridge industrial estate
« Reply #39 on: »
Copy and paste the following into the POPLA webform as your response to the operators evidence. It is within the 10,000 character limit:

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This is my response to the evidence submitted by Private Parking Solutions Ltd. They have failed to properly address multiple key points raised in my appeal and their claims contain numerous legal and factual errors. I request that POPLA consider all of the following.

First, the location is not properly specified. The Notice to Keeper states the location as “Uxbridge Ind Est, Wallingford Rd, Salisbury Rd, Arundel Rd, UB8 2RZ.” This covers a wide area and several roads. It is not a specific identifiable location, which is required under paragraph 9(2)(a) of Schedule 4 of the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012. The operator has not rebutted this point. In fact, they confirm the area covers multiple roads, which supports my argument that the location is vague and non-compliant. They also confirm the incident occurred at UB8 2RP, not UB8 2RZ, which shows the NtK was inaccurate.

Second, the operator relies on a claimed observation of 44 seconds to justify the charge. This is completely inadequate and fails both the legal and contractual standards. The operator has completely ignored the minimum consideration period that must be allowed under the Private Parking Single Code of Practice, section 5.1. That section states that operators must allow a reasonable consideration period for the driver to find the terms, read them, and either decide to accept and park or leave. This period is defined as a minimum of five minutes.

If the operator is claiming that the vehicle was on site for just 44 seconds, then by their own evidence, there is no possibility that the driver had sufficient time to read the terms, understand them, and make an informed decision. This means no contract could have been formed. Without a contract, there can be no breach and no charge.

The operator is trying to have it both ways. They want to rely on PoFA to hold the keeper liable, which requires evidence of a parking period. At the same time, they are claiming that 44 seconds is enough to establish that a contract was entered into and breached. That is legally and logically absurd. No contract can be formed in less than the five-minute consideration period.

This is not about whether the car was observed on site. It is about whether any evidence shows that the driver had time to read and accept the terms, which is essential for contract formation. Forty-four seconds proves the opposite — that there was no parking period at all, just a fleeting presence.

Therefore, even if every other element of the operator’s case were correct (which it is not), their failure to show that the vehicle was present for more than five minutes fatally undermines any claim that a contract existed or that the PoFA requirements have been met.

Third, the signage is prohibitory. The sign clearly states “No parking, waiting, loading or unloading on the roads and footpaths at any time.” This is not an invitation to park under certain conditions. It is a clear prohibition. A contract cannot be formed from prohibitive terms. As I explained in the original appeal, PCM v Bull (2016) confirmed that a prohibitory notice cannot form the basis of a contractual agreement. The operator claims a contract was formed, but this contradicts the content of the signage and applicable case law.

Fourth, the operator claims to have identified the creditor, but this is not accurate. The Notice to Keeper states “we, the creditor” without naming any specific legal entity within that sentence. This is not compliant with paragraph 9(2)(h) of Schedule 4 of the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, which requires that the notice “identify the creditor.” The term “we” is ambiguous and legally meaningless in this context.

The identity of the creditor is a fundamental requirement under PoFA. It is essential that the registered keeper knows exactly who is pursuing the charge. This is not a mere technicality. A notice demanding payment must make it explicitly clear who the money is being claimed by and who it is allegedly owed to. Simply placing the operator’s name somewhere else on the page or letterhead is not good enough. The legal requirement is to identify the creditor within the body of the notice itself, and to do so clearly and unambiguously.

In this case, the Notice to Keeper does not make it clear whether the creditor is the operator, the landowner, or some third party. It is especially unclear because the contract provided by the operator names “Trade Sales” as the party authorising enforcement. But “Trade Sales” could be the landowner, a leaseholder, or just a managing agent. There is no proof of who owns the land or who holds the legal right to enforce charges. Therefore, it is impossible to tell from the Notice to Keeper or the evidence whether the creditor is Private Parking Solutions Ltd, Trade Sales, or another unnamed entity altogether.

The operator has not provided any clarification in their evidence or addressed this point in their response. They simply assume that the recipient of the notice will know who the creditor is. That assumption is not sufficient to meet the statutory requirement. If the operator cannot or will not clearly state who the creditor is, then the Notice to Keeper is invalid under PoFA and they cannot transfer liability to the keeper.

This appeal point stands and must be upheld.

Fifth, the operator has submitted a supposed landowner agreement, but this document is deeply flawed. It names a company called Trade Sales as the party authorising PPS to manage the site, but there is no evidence that Trade Sales is the landowner or leaseholder. No land registry details are provided and no document is included proving Trade Sales has the right to grant enforcement authority. There is no site map included even though the agreement itself says one must be attached. The section asking for patrol areas to be defined is left blank. There is no way to determine whether the alleged contravention occurred on land covered by this agreement.

The person signing on behalf of Trade Sales is not named in print, and their signature is unreadable. No job title is given and no evidence is provided showing that they have any authority to sign such an agreement. This makes it impossible to verify whether this is a valid contract.

Additionally, the contract start date is shown as 7 February 2024. If the alleged incident occurred on or before this date, the contract was not yet in force. If the incident occurred after this date, the contract still fails to establish that the signatory was authorised to bind the landowner or that PPS has the right to issue charges and take legal action in its own name.

Worse still, the contract references a non-existent organisation. It claims to be issued in accordance with sections 7.1 to 7.3 of the “British Association Code of Practice.” This is not a real entity. There is no such organisation as the British Association in this context. This appears to be a botched reference to the British Parking Association. A contract that gets the name of the governing code wrong cannot be relied upon. This seriously undermines the credibility and legal effect of the document.

Sixth, the operator claims that because I did not name the driver, I have assumed liability. This is incorrect. The burden is on the operator to comply with all of the conditions in Schedule 4 of PoFA in order to transfer liability to the keeper. As shown above, they have failed to do so. There is no presumption that the keeper is the driver. VCS v Edward (2023) confirmed that a keeper cannot be held liable simply because they were not able to name the driver.

In conclusion, the operator has failed to rebut my core appeal points. The Notice to Keeper is non-compliant with PoFA. The operator has not established that a contract was formed. Their claim of a 44-second observation is not only insufficient but confirms that no contract could have been formed due to the failure to allow the required five-minute consideration period. Their signage is prohibitory and cannot support a claim based on contract law. Their evidence of landowner authority is legally and factually defective. For all of these reasons, the appeal must be allowed and the charge cancelled.
Never argue with stupid people. They will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience” - Mark Twain

Re: Uxbridge industrial estate
« Reply #40 on: »
The ICA have contacted me. Any thing I should say back to them


 
COMPLAINT AGAINST THE DRIVER & VEHICLE LICENSING AGENCY (DVLA)
 
I write further to your correspondence with the DVLA about the independent complaint assessor (ICA) review of your complaint. I confirm that a file containing your dealings with the DVLA has been received by the ICAs, and your complaint is being queued for allocation.
 
Please note that what follows is not an attempt at defining your complaint, and will not inform or shape the review. It is, rather, a brief reference at this acknowledgement stage to some of the difficulties described in the file.
 
You complained to the DVLA after ‘Private Parking Solutions’ ticketed you on 12 March 2025. You argued that the company had misused your data and expressed your dissatisfaction with the DVLA’s response in the following terms:
 
“My complaint raised serious concerns about misuse of personal data by Private Parking Solutions (London) Ltd and the submission of false information to a government agency. Specifically, PPS falsely claimed that no appeal had been received, which the DVLA accepted and relied upon in dismissing my Step 1 complaint. I later submitted a copy of PPS's written appeal rejection dated 6 May 2025, which proves beyond doubt that PPS did receive, process, and respond to my appeal. Despite this, the Step 2 response failed to acknowledge the significance of the operator's earlier false statement, and the case has been closed without proper accountability or enforcement under the KADOE contract. Given that the DVLA is the Data Controller for keeper information released under KADOE, I believe the matter has not been properly investigated and the response was based on incorrect and misleading information. I request that this matter now be referred to the Independent Complaints Assessor in accordance with published procedure.”
 
I have set out our jurisdiction as ICAs in an annex to this letter. We are not employees of the DfT or any of its public bodies. We cannot challenge or overturn a decision made by a public body in line with its policies. However, we can assess if the public body has administered its policies correctly, acted consistently with them and provided a reasonable standard of administration and customer service. The DVLA is in the jurisdiction of the Parliamentary Ombudsman and we refer where relevant to his Principles and UK Central Government Complaints Framework in judging whether the DfT or one of its delivery bodies has acted reasonably. In doing so, we must be clear that we do not function as an appeals body for enforcement or regulatory decisions made by DfT public bodies. Nor can we re-make a decision based on the correct pursuit of policy and/or the public body’s approach to resource allocation.
 
I should emphasise that we cannot adjudicate on the legality of the DVLA’s supply of keeper data to private parking companies. Nor is the DVLA an actual or proxy regulator for this sector, so complaints about the legal footing and procedural basis behind a PCN need to go down the prescribed appeal route, not to the agency or us. Complaints about unlawful data release, you will understand, are for the ICO. The ICO has fully approved the DVLA’s practice of releasing keeper data for the investigation of potential liability under the reasonable cause provision (in other words, the DVLA does not have to satisfy itself of the legitimacy of a request before data release). A complaint to the DVLA that a request for data from a private parking company was erroneous, meaning that the DVLA should not have released the data, does not get off the ground.
 
Approaching 41,000 drivers are issued with PCNs by private firms each day, underlining the impossibility of the DVLA investigating each request individually. We are precluded from commenting on the content and pursuit of policy by the DVLA. In my view, a political move in an area of widespread public concern is required to change the current arrangement. You may know, however, that initiatives to address public discontent have not seemingly progressed since the then government “temporarily” withdrew the Private Parking Code of Practice in June 2022 after representations from the private parking sector.
 
At this stage, bearing the scope (above) in mind, it would be of assistance to know what your main outstanding concerns are, and what you hope to achieve through your complaint.
 
We work remotely from the DfT, part time, and will not usually be able to reply immediately to communications. Due to the high numbers of complex referrals we have received in recent months, it will in all likelihood take us 14-18 weeks (possibly longer) to complete the review. Until your case is allocated to a colleague (currently I’m sorry to say taking 3 to 4 months), please contact me about any aspect and I will get back to you as soon as I can. 
 
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Re: Uxbridge industrial estate
« Reply #41 on: »
The ICA's reply is standard boilerplate, but there are some critical points here that can and should be responded to strategically to shape how they eventually approach your case.

They are asking you:

"At this stage... what your main outstanding concerns are, and what you hope to achieve through your complaint".

This is an opportunity to frame the review around administrative failings, poor decision-making, and failure to apply DVLA policy properly—which are within the ICA’s remit.

I suggest the following response to send back to the ICA that keeps within their jurisdiction, but exposes the DVLA's procedural failings and mismanagement:

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Subject: Response to ICA Query – PPS Case / DVLA Step 2 Complaint

Dear [ICA Officer's Name],

Thank you for your acknowledgement of my complaint and for outlining the scope of your review.

You asked what my main outstanding concerns are and what I hope to achieve. I fully understand that the ICA cannot investigate the validity of private parking charges or alter DVLA policy. My complaint is not about whether the original release of data was lawful, but rather the DVLA’s failure to handle my complaint properly once evidence of a serious breach came to light.

My key concerns are as follows:

1. The DVLA accepted false information without scrutiny.

Private Parking Solutions (London) Ltd falsely claimed to the DVLA that no appeal had been received. This statement was used as the basis to dismiss my Step 1 complaint. I later provided a copy of the operator’s own appeal rejection letter dated 6 May 2025, which proves beyond doubt that an appeal had been received, processed, and responded to. Despite this, the Step 2 response from the DVLA failed to acknowledge or correct this contradiction.

2. The DVLA failed to exercise oversight under the KADOE contract.

Once evidence was submitted showing that the operator had both misled the DVLA and breached the Private Parking Single Code of Practice (by ignoring my appeal until prompted), the DVLA took no action and closed the case. No enforcement step was taken under the KADOE contract, no warning issued, and no recognition made of the seriousness of the operator’s misconduct. This reflects a failure to meet the DVLA’s duty as Data Controller under UK GDPR and the DPA 2018.

3. The DVLA's response shows a lack of impartiality.

I note from your own letter that over 41,000 private PCNs are issued each day. This scale of data use by private operators appears to have created a culture in which the DVLA is reluctant to challenge parking companies for fear of disrupting this revenue-generating scheme. The refusal to act against an operator who provided false information to a government agency undermines public trust and calls into question whether the DVLA’s complaints process is being applied fairly or merely as a procedural formality.

While I understand that the ICA cannot investigate financial motives or policy outcomes, I believe this context is relevant to understanding why the DVLA failed to investigate the matter properly and why enforcement mechanisms were not triggered.

I am not seeking to reverse the data release, nor to challenge KADOE policy. What I seek is an independent finding that:

• The DVLA failed to investigate the complaint properly;
• The DVLA accepted and relied on factually incorrect information provided by a KADOE user;
• The complaint was closed without addressing the proven misrepresentation;
• There was no meaningful enforcement of the KADOE contract obligations despite clear evidence of misuse;

These failures amount to poor administration and a breach of the DVLA’s duty to fairly manage complaints and uphold data protection principles.

Thank you for your time and for reviewing this matter. I am happy to provide further supporting material if needed.

Yours sincerely,

[Your Full Name]
Never argue with stupid people. They will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience” - Mark Twain

Re: Uxbridge industrial estate
« Reply #42 on: »
Popla unsuccessful

Decision
Unsuccessful
Assessor Name
Lisa Lea
Assessor summary of operator case
The parking operator issued the parking charge notice (PCN) for parking in a no parking area.

Assessor summary of your case
The appellant raised the following points from their grounds of appeal: • Inadequate Location Description – Breach of PoFA Schedule 4, Paragraph 9(2)(a). • No ‘Period of Parking’ Stated – Breach of PoFA and Failure to Establish Contract. • Prohibitive Signage – No Contract Formed. • Failure to Identify the Creditor – Breach of PoFA Schedule 4, Paragraph 9(2)(h). • Lack of Landowner Authority – Operator Lacks Standing. • Driver Not Identified – Keeper Not Liable After reviewing the parking operator’s evidence, the appellant reiterates their grounds of appeal. In support of their appeal, the appellant submitted the following: 1. A copy of the appeal in PDF format. This evidence has been considered in making my determination.

Assessor supporting rational for decision
When assessing an appeal, POPLA considers if the parking operator issued the parking charge notice correctly and if the driver complied with the terms and conditions for the use of the car park on the day. The parking operator provided evidence of the signs on the car park, which advise that a £100 PCN will be issued to drivers who park in a no parking area. • Inadequate Location Description – Breach of PoFA Schedule 4, Paragraph 9(2)(a). I appreciate the comments and evidence provided to support their appeal. I acknowledge the appellant mentions the PCN location being the Uxbridge Industrial Estate, after reviewing the documents provided and the postcode mentioned by the appellant, UB8 2RP is the postcode for Arundel Road, which is included in the PCN, and as such I am satisfied the operator has identified the particular area sufficiently and has complied with PoFA. • No ‘Period of Parking’ Stated – Breach of PoFA and Failure to Establish Contract. Prohibitive Signage – No Contract Formed. Whilst, I appreciate the appellant stating no period of parking and no contract had been established, When a motorist enters an area of private property they enter into a contract to adhere to the terms and conditions of the site, and as such as the vehicle was observed parked in a no parking area by an on site attendant, this identifies a breach of those terms and conditions. I am therefore, satisfied the operator has issued the PCN correctly. The Private Parking Sector Single Code of Practice (The Code) sets the standards its parking operators need to comply with. The parking operator has provided a site map along with images of the signs in the car park itself. This evidence confirms that there are an adequate amount of signs in the car park, and they are placed sufficiently throughout the car park itself. This satisfies me that if any motorist was to park in this car park, they would be made aware of the requirement to not park in a no parking area. As such, I am satisfied the operator has complied with The Code. • Failure to Identify the Creditor – Breach of PoFA Schedule 4, Paragraph 9(2)(h). I acknowledge the appellants comments regarding the failure to identify the creditor, however upon review of, PoFA Schedule 4, Paragraph 9(2)(h) identify the creditor and specify how and to whom payment or notification to the creditor may be made. I can see the operator has identified themselves as the creditor and provided details of how and whom a payment can be made and as such, I am satisfied they have complied with PoFA. • Lack of Landowner Authority – Operator Lacks Standing. I acknowledge the appellants comments, however as the operator has provided a signed copy of the landowner agreement for Private Parking Solutions to manage the property on their behalf. I am satisfied that this shows sufficient authority manage the site. • Driver Not Identified – Keeper Not Liable. Parking operators have to follow certain rules including warning the registered keeper that they will be liable if the parking operator is not provided with the name and address of the driver. In this case, the PCN in question has the necessary information and the parking operator has therefore successfully transferred the liability onto the registered keeper. PoFA Schedule 4 Paragraph 9 (f)warn the keeper that if, after the period of 28 days beginning with the day after that on which the notice is given— (i)the amount of the unpaid parking charges specified under paragraph (d) has not been paid in full, and (ii)the creditor does not know both the name of the driver and a current address for service for the driver, the creditor will (if all the applicable conditions under this Schedule are met) have the right to recover from the keeper so much of that amount as remains unpaid. I am therefore satisfied the operator has successfully transferred liability to the keeper. After considering the evidence from both parties, the motorist parked in a no parking area and therefore did not comply with the terms and conditions of the site. As such, I am satisfied the parking charge has been issued correctly and I must refuse the appeal. POPLA is not involved with the financial aspect of the parking charge. For any queries regarding payments, the appellant will need to contact the parking operator directly.

Re: Uxbridge industrial estate
« Reply #43 on: »
Luckily, a POPLA decision is not binding on you. This is a breakdown of the assessor’s mistakes in your POPLA decision. These aren’t just oversights — they’re fundamental failures to apply the law and logic correctly and evidence of why POPLA is not fit for purpose:

1. Location Description (PoFA 9(2)(a))

Mistake: The assessor claimed that because Arundel Road is included in the NtK, the location is sufficiently identified.

Why it’s wrong: PoFA requires a specific location, not a vague cluster of roads or a general postcode. UB8 2RZ covers multiple roads, and the operator themselves said the incident occurred at UB8 2RP — a completely different postcode. That’s a factual error in the NtK, and the assessor ignored it.

2. Period of Parking / 44 Seconds

Mistake: The assessor said that because the vehicle was “observed parked”, a contract was breached.

Why it’s wrong: The Code of Practice mandates a minimum five-minute consideration period. The operator’s own evidence shows the vehicle was there for just 44 seconds. That’s not enough time to read, understand, and accept any terms. The assessor completely ignored this and assumed a contract existed just because a PCN was issued. That’s circular logic and legally absurd.

3. Prohibitory Signage

Mistake: The assessor said the signage was clear and sufficient.

Why it’s wrong: Clarity is irrelevant if the signage is prohibitory. “No parking, waiting, loading or unloading” is not an offer — it’s a prohibition. You cited PCM v Bull (2016), which confirms that prohibitory signs cannot form a contract. The assessor didn’t even acknowledge the case law, let alone apply it.

4. Creditor Identification (PoFA 9(2)(h))

Mistake: The assessor said the operator identified themselves and gave payment details, so PoFA was satisfied.

Why it’s wrong: PoFA requires the creditor to be clearly named in the body of the notice. Using “we” is legally meaningless. The assessor conflated branding or letterhead with statutory compliance. That’s a basic failure to understand the legal requirement.

5. Landowner Authority

Mistake: The assessor accepted the landowner agreement without question.

Why it’s wrong: The agreement was riddled with defects — no proof that Trade Sales owns the land, no site map, no named signatory, and a reference to a non-existent “British Association”. The assessor ignored all of this and blindly accepted the document. That’s not adjudication — it’s rubber-stamping.

6. Keeper Liability

Mistake: The assessor said the NtK warned the keeper, so liability transferred.

Why it’s wrong: PoFA requires full compliance with all conditions before liability can transfer. You showed multiple breaches — vague location, failure to name the creditor, no valid contract. The assessor cherry-picked one clause and ignored the rest. That’s a complete misapplication of the law.

Summary

Lisa Lea didn’t adjudicate — she glossed over every substantive point and gave a boilerplate response. She ignored statutory requirements, misapplied case law, and failed to engage with the operator’s own contradictory evidence. Her decision is legally defective and factually lazy.

This would never stand up in court. However, you now have to weather the useless debt recovery letters. You can safely ignore all debt collectors. The only power they have is to try and persuade the low-hanging fruit on the gullible tree to pay up out of ignorance and fear.

Come back when you receive a Letter of Claim (LoC).

In the meantime you can make a formal complaint to POPLA about the utter incompetence of Lisa Lea. I suggest you copy and paste the following into the complaint webform here: https://www.popla.co.uk/contact

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Subject: Formal Complaint – POPLA Decision by Assessor Lisa Lea (Ref: [Insert POPLA Ref])

To the Lead Adjudicator,

I am submitting a formal complaint regarding the decision issued by Assessor Lisa Lea in my appeal against Private Parking Solutions Ltd. The decision is legally defective and procedurally flawed. I understand POPLA operates a single-stage process and does not reverse decisions, but I require a written response to this complaint for the record, as I intend to rely on it in future proceedings.

The following errors are clear and unacceptable:

1. The assessor wrongly accepted a vague multi-road location and postcode (UB8 2RZ) as compliant with PoFA Schedule 4, Paragraph 9(2)(a), even though the operator’s own evidence stated the incident occurred at UB8 2RP. This is a factual discrepancy and a breach of the requirement to specify a particular location.

2. The operator claimed the vehicle was present for just 44 seconds. The Code of Practice requires a minimum five-minute consideration period. The assessor ignored this completely and assumed a contract was formed simply because a PCN was issued. That is circular reasoning and shows a failure to understand basic contract law.

3. The signage was prohibitory, stating “No parking, waiting, loading or unloading.” This is not an offer to park under terms. The assessor failed to apply the relevant case law (PCM v Bull 2016), which confirms that prohibitory signs cannot form a contract.

4. The Notice to Keeper used the term “we” without naming a legal entity as the creditor. The assessor wrongly concluded that branding or payment instructions elsewhere on the notice satisfied PoFA Schedule 4, Paragraph 9(2)(h). This is legally incorrect. The creditor must be clearly named in the body of the notice.

5. The landowner agreement provided by the operator was defective. It referenced a non-existent organisation (“British Association”), lacked a site map, failed to identify the signatory, and gave no proof that Trade Sales had authority to grant enforcement rights. The assessor ignored all of this and accepted the document without scrutiny.

6. The assessor claimed keeper liability transferred because the NtK warned the keeper. This ignores the requirement for full compliance with all PoFA conditions. Multiple breaches were evident, yet the assessor cherry-picked one clause and disregarded the rest.

7. The assessor repeatedly referred to the location as a “car park.” This is factually wrong. The alleged contravention occurred on a public-access road within an industrial estate, not in a car park. Roads are not car parks. The only time a road could be considered a car park is during a traffic jam, and even then not legally. This mischaracterisation shows a complete failure to understand the nature of the site and undermines the entire basis of the decision.

This decision is legally incoherent and procedurally negligent. It fails to apply statutory requirements, ignores binding case law, and accepts flawed evidence without scrutiny. I request that the Lead Adjudicator reviews this complaint and confirms whether these issues have been acknowledged and whether any internal action will be taken to address the assessor’s conduct.

I do not expect the decision to be reversed, but I do expect a formal written response for the record.
Never argue with stupid people. They will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience” - Mark Twain