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i went to pick up a friend from leeds railway station and mistook the pick up point for a taxi rank due to the volume of taxis there. when i realised i had missed the entry i pulled over to reverse around a corner and enter the pick up area. i saw a red sign and changed my glasses to read it and saw it was a 'no stopping sign' i have received a PCN from UKCPS for stopping for 40 seconds (according to their time stamped cctv) while i read the 'no stopping' sign. once i read the sign i left. while i was reading the sign my passenger had seen me miss the pick up entry and walked down to the car and got in while i was stationary. i have appealed to UKCPS which they rejected and have now appealed to IAS but in my appeal i used a template from AI and mistakenly referred to 'my' stopping. does this now ruin my defense of not naming the driver as the station is subject to railway byelaws and not relevant land. Further the signage on the entry to the station area is situated at a mini roundabout and next on an uphill sloping road in front of a pedestrian crossing which makes reading these signs impossible as attention is rightly focused on navigating the road. What do i do when IAS inevitably rejects my appeal? Any help would be appreciated
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The railway bylaws argument is only relevant if the date of the event is 2025 or earlier, the law changed at the end of 2025 on this point.
Without your reading and acting on https://www.ftla.uk/private-parking-tickets/read-this-first-private-parking-charges-forum-guide/ we can only guess.
There are several other threads covering the same “offence” on this forum if you search for them. -
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Yes the violation was this year so i guess the PoFA argument fails. however, there is still the issue of signage situated in positions it makes it impossible to read without violating safe driving practices and also being allowed a consideration period to decide to enter a contract or not. |Am i right in thinking this?
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What did you put in the appeal?
Was the driver Identified?
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Hi, i based my appeal on the railway byelaws using a previous response from on here. however, i didnt know the law had changed at the end of 2025 so this argument is flawed. I also mentioned the signage being in a position which makes it impossible to read as it is at a mini roundabout and also on an uphill road leading to a pedestrian crossing so a drivers attention should rightly be on driving with due care and attention. I also mentioned the car stopped for 40 secs (according to cctv) which was the time taken to notice a sign, change glasses and read it before deciding to leave. i didnt identify the driver but in my AI generated letter it said 'My stopping' so im concerned this will fatally undermine my defence of not naming the driver.
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Can you post up a copy of the PPN you received?
With personal details redacted but leave dates. -
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There is also no “period of parking” as required by PoFA 2012 to transfer liability if the driver is not identified, however you may well have done so in your appeal.
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Hi, what does this mean “no period of parking” why is that important for transferring PoFa liability? Thanks
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Look it up!
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9(1)A notice which is to be relied on as a notice to keeper for the purposes of paragraph 6(1)(b) is given in accordance with this paragraph if the following requirements are met.
(2)The notice must—
(a)specify the vehicle, the relevant land on which it was parked and the period of parking to which the notice relates; -
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Hi, thanks for that but doesnt the reason for issue 'no stopping' constitute the period of parking or do they have to actually specify the time you parked?
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No.
Not for transferring the liability from the unknown driver to the registered keeper, in which they have to follow the law as quoted.
They won’t agree with you, probably completely ignoring the point, but they’re wrong. -
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Thankyou for that, that is a really interesting point. Haven’t I fatally undermined that point though by including the words “my stopping” in the appeal when it should have been “my car stopping”. Can’t they argue I have admitted being the driver?
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An update on my appeal to IAS over my PCN from UKCPS at Leeds station. Following the advice of some of the posts here and especially one post which provided a template for me, i have today received an email form IAS to say that "due to further information UKCPS will no longer be pursuing the matter and the PCN has been cancelled". Many thanks to those who provided assistance to me.
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Well done, good result, thanks for telling us. Good to know for advising other similar cases.
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