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I should think "time into red" is an important factor. Plus I doubt they will offer a course if an accident was caused.

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Speeding and other criminal offences / Re: 62 in a 30 speeding
« on: Yesterday at 11:02:05 pm »
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Am I likely to be able to mitigate and stay away from a ban at this speed?

At more than twice the limit you are well into ban territory. The guidance suggests either six points or a ban of up to 56 days. It also says this:

"Where an offender is driving grossly in excess of the speed limit the court should consider a disqualification in excess of 56 days."

I would be surprised if you can persuade the court to impose points instead of a ban.

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Unlike speeding, here seems to be no published consistent criteria for the police to offer a course for red light infringements. It's entirely up to the individual force.

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He was braking but the vehicle continued to skid and he lost control...

Then his best course of action was to release the brakes and exercise "cadence braking":

https://www.lifeskillsdriving.co.uk/ABS%20%20Cadence%20Braking.html

Has he had the ABS checked?

In any case, I'm not sure a defence that it failed (even if it did) will fly. Essentially he braked too hard which caused the van to enter a skid.

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Non-motoring legal advice / Re: not paying for fuel
« on: January 12, 2026, 04:38:19 pm »
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It wasn’t me that filled up, it was a family member, friend etc.
As the registered keeper, you are liable for any fines unless the party responsible volunteers to take responsibility for the case.
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Their FAQs also says this:

"The car doesn’t belong to me I sold it

The information from DVLA still shows you as the registered keeper at the date of event, unless you can provide evidence that this is not the case the liability still lies with you"


The way these people operate is disgraceful. They are citing provisions in criminal law relating to VED and properly framed provisions to transfer responsibility to RKs so as to chase debts.




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Non-motoring legal advice / Re: not paying for fuel
« on: January 11, 2026, 07:51:03 pm »
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…well i have already stated to morrisons store and the fuel station that I'm happy to pay the debt, but not very happy to pay the extortionate penalty.

Yes, that’s probably the view most people take. I’m not suggesting that people who have made a mistake should simply not be liable to make good the debt. But all PMF has done is to obtain your details from the DVLA and send you a template letter. Fifty quid is an excessive   charge for that task and three times that for a “late” payment is outrageous.

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A combination of this, and some people's lack of knowledge of the legal position in these cases, are probably key to the success of PayMyFuel's business model.
And there’s the rub. QDR sate in their letter

“You are the current registered keeper of this vehicle and we require you to make full payment of this debt within 7 days.”

They know that some drivers are aware that liability for some decriminalised offences can be transferred to the RK and they rely on that to fool those they deal with that the same applies.

PMF heads their letters “notice of intended prosecution” and threaten court action.

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Non-motoring legal advice / Re: not paying for fuel
« on: January 11, 2026, 05:51:00 pm »
I haven’t heard of “Pay My Fuel” (PMF). However there have been a number of threads on another forum with similar topics involving a firm of solicitors called QDR. They operate on a similar model.

Their letters do not mention an intended prosecution nor do they mention a penalty charge.

There were different opinions in responses to those threads. The principal issue that I could see was that QDR make their demand solely on the basis that the person they demand payment from is the Registered Keeper. It seems “Pay My Fuel” do the same. That’s not surprising as they have no idea who was actually responsible for the alleged debt.

QDR have no interest in pursuing anybody other than the RK. In one thread the RK was not in the car at the time and he offered to provide the driver’s details to QDR. They didn’t want to know. In another the debt arose because of a fault with he “Pay at Pump” system. The driver had inserted a card and had £100 holding sum debited. The pump was supposed to see him charged with the cost of the fuel and his £100 returned. It failed to charge for the fuel but his deposit was returned in full and he didn’t notice this until after QDR had become involved. Again, QDR were not interested. I would imagine PMF operate similarly.

My view is that these charges can only be levied on a contractual basis and to do that PMF would have to show who was party to the contract. I don’t see how they can do that in most cases. Only after they have done that would the terms of he contract become relevant.

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"...he first told me I'd have to pay the fine.

He seems as legally ignorant as PMF seem to be. In general, only courts can impose fines.

I take it Morrisons now know that you were the driver at the time?

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Speeding and other criminal offences / Re: Drink and Drive 57 mg
« on: January 09, 2026, 05:18:28 pm »
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The assumption is wrong but it seems to have legs.

Yes. That's why I asked.

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From what you say you do not have a viable defence. You can try contacting your insurers to see if they would provide cover in those circumstances, though I doubt they would.

If you are convicted in court the court must impose a minimum of six points, which will see you liable to a ban under “totting up". They do have the option to impose a short ban instead of points but they’re very unlikely to do so.

You will have the opportunity to make an “Exceptional Hardship” argument so as to avoid a ban. You will have to convince the court that you or others will suffer hardship that is over and above that which any driver would normally suffer if he was banned.

Here is the guidance the court uses when considering such an argument:

When considering whether there are grounds to reduce or avoid a totting up disqualification the court should have regard to the following:

It is for the offender to prove to the civil standard of proof that such grounds exist. Other than very exceptionally, this will require evidence from the offender, and where such evidence is given, it must be sworn.

Where it is asserted that hardship would be caused, the court must be satisfied that it is not merely inconvenience, or hardship, but exceptional hardship for which the court must have evidence.

Almost every disqualification entails hardship for the person disqualified and their immediate family. This is part of the deterrent objective of the provisions combined with the preventative effect of the order not to drive.

If a motorist continues to offend after becoming aware of the risk to their licence of further penalty points, the court can take this circumstance into account.

Courts should be cautious before accepting assertions of exceptional hardship without evidence that alternatives (including alternative means of transport) for avoiding exceptional hardship are not viable.

Loss of employment will be an inevitable consequence of a driving ban for many people. Evidence that loss of employment would follow from disqualification is not in itself sufficient to demonstrate exceptional hardship; whether or not it does will depend on the circumstances of the offender and the consequences of that loss of employment on the offender and/or others.


So what “exceptional hardship” will you or others suffer?

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Speeding and other criminal offences / Re: Drink and Drive 57 mg
« on: January 08, 2026, 11:03:08 pm »
I'm not too sure why Roy asked the question.

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Speeding and other criminal offences / Re: Drink Drive 69mg
« on: January 08, 2026, 04:46:30 pm »
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Driving with excess alcohol.

Then unfortunately you will face a minimum of 12 months disqualification. It will probably be more than that as the guideline sentence for the level is 17 to 22 months.

The court should allow you to pay any fine/ costs etc. in instalments.

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Speeding and other criminal offences / Re: Drink Drive 69mg
« on: January 08, 2026, 04:00:53 pm »
Have you been charged with driving with excess alcohol, or being in charge?

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Respond to the SJPN by pleading not guilty to both offences. In the "reasons for pleading not guilty" section say you are willing to plead guilty to the speeding offence on the condition that the "failure to provide driver's details" charge is dropped.

Before the pandemic it was necessary to attend court to negotiate this "deal". When the pandemic hit courts were obviously keen to avoid as many personal attendances as possible and arrangements were made for this deal to be accepted without a court attendance. Many courts have continued with this process but some have reverted to requiring a  personal appearance. If you make your intentions clear in response to the SJPN you may be saved a trip.

In the “mitigation” section you can explain that the reason for your predicament was your failure to update your V5C. You could then ask if the court might consider sentencing you at a level equivalent to the fixed penalty. They  have guidance which suggests they might do so in some circumstances:

“Where a penalty notice could not be offered or taken up for reasons unconnected with the offence itself, such as administrative difficulties outside the control of the offender, the starting point should be a fine equivalent to the amount of the penalty and no order of costs should be imposed. The offender should not be disadvantaged by the unavailability of the penalty notice in these circumstances.”

Of course it was your fault that you did not receive the “request for driver’s details”, but don’t ask and you won’t get.

All this assumes, of course that you were the driver at the time. If you were not all bets are off.

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Speeding and other criminal offences / Re: Drink and Drive 57 mg
« on: January 07, 2026, 05:43:11 pm »
About what I expected. Thanks for letting us know.

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Speeding and other criminal offences / Re: Drink and Drive 57 mg
« on: January 07, 2026, 09:05:14 am »
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I will be alone and check if duty Sollicitor is available to guide or help me.


The duty solicitor should be available to speak on your behalf.

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