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Thanks for the responses.

To answer the questions directly:

I parked there at around 8:30-9:00am, before the restriction came into force at 10:00am. I did not manage to move the vehicle or display a permit before the restriction period began, and I was not aware the restriction had started by the time the PCN was issued at 10:46.

That said, my challenge is not based solely on the circumstances of parking. It is based on whether the Council has discharged its burden of proof with the evidence it has actually produced, and whether that evidence meets a reasonable standard of care.

The CEO took approximately 20 photographs. Of those, the only image purporting to show the restriction sign is blurred and entirely illegible. Not a single photograph clearly documents the restriction that is the entire basis of the PCN. When a CEO chooses to take 20 photographs, it is reasonable to expect that at least one of them clearly captures the sign that justifies the contravention. That is not a high bar, and it was not met here.

The Council then introduced a separate, clear photograph of the sign in its rejection letter, but this photograph carries none of the standard red timestamp overlay that authenticates every single CEO photograph (date, time, location). Every CEO photo is stamped "2026/02/06 10:46, Craven Park Road, STH TOT (ST) CPZ". The sign photo has nothing.

Weather records for Tottenham on 6 February 2026 confirm overcast and rainy conditions all morning, consistent with the grey, wet conditions visible in all CEO photos. The sign photograph in the rejection letter depicts bright sunshine with sharp shadows, conditions that were not present on the date of the contravention. The Council has not disclosed the source or date of this photograph.

To summarise: this is not primarily a case about whether the sign exists. It is about whether a Council that chose to produce 20 photographs, failed to include a single legible image of the very sign it relies upon, and then silently introduced an unauthenticated replacement photograph of unknown date and origin, has produced evidence that meets the standard expected of an enforcing authority. I would argue it has not.

Does that combination create enough doubt for an adjudicator, given the civil standard?


Thank you.


The link for GSV (I was parked just about where the car in the picture is parked, jsut faced the other way).
https://maps.app.goo.gl/TSLXxiqMU4zfTE4g6

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Hello all,

I'm at a decision point: pay £80 now (discount period ends 20 March) or proceed to formal representation and adjudication. I believe I have a reasonable case but want experienced eyes before committing. Full details and photographs below.

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**PCN details**
- Authority: Haringey Council
- PCN number: ZN20147713
- Contravention date: 06 February 2026 (Friday), 10:46
- Location: Craven Park Road, STH TOT (ST) CPZ
- Vehicle: LA61DHX
- Contravention: Parked in a permit holders only bay without a valid permit
- Penalty: £160 full / £80 discount (expires 20 March 2026)

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**Background**

The bay is signed "Permit holders only, Mon–Fri, 10am–Noon" (time plate at nos. 42 & 44 per the Council's letter). The CEO observed the vehicle for 8 minutes and 8 seconds (stated period: 10:37–10:46) before issuing the PCN. I did not hold a resident's permit for this zone.

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**Informal challenge — grounds raised**

1. The CEO's photographs of the restriction sign were blurred and entirely illegible — insufficient to prove a compliant sign was visible at the material time (Reg. 18, LA Traffic Orders Procedure Regs 1996).
2. Internal inconsistency: stated observation period is 10:37–10:46, yet all photographs are timestamped 10:46–10:47 only.
3. Of approximately 20 CEO photographs, not one clearly shows the restriction sign.

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**Council's rejection (25 February 2026)**

- Signage said to be compliant with TSRGD 2016.
- On the timing point, the Council responded: "The time-stamped on the photos taken does not invalid this PCN, because the vehicle was parked illegally" — which does not address the inconsistency raised.
- CEO observed vehicle for 8 mins 8 secs, no driver seen, no loading/unloading.

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**The key issue — photographs**


Every one of the CEO's authenticated photographs carries a standard red timestamp overlay: "2026/02/06 10:46 / Craven Park Road, STH TOT (ST) CPZ". The sign photograph included in the rejection letter has no timestamp overlay, no date, and no location reference — and the only CEO photograph that attempts to show the sign is blurred and entirely illegible.

The Council has introduced an undated, unauthenticated sign photograph at the rejection stage that was not part of the original CEO evidence pack, without disclosing its source or provenance.

**Weather corroboration:**
Weather records for Tottenham on 6 February 2026 confirm overcast, grey and rainy conditions throughout the morning — consistent with all CEO photographs, which show dull, wet conditions. The sign photograph in the rejection letter depicts bright sunshine with sharp, clearly visible shadows: conditions that were not present on the date of the contravention. This suggests the photograph was taken on a different day entirely and confirms it is not original CEO evidence.

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**My question**

I'm weighing two options:

**Option A — Pay £80 now.** Safe, certain, closes the matter.

**Option B — Proceed to formal representation and if rejected, appeal to London Tribunals.** If successful, the PCN is cancelled entirely.

Do you think the signage evidence point is strong enough to take to an adjudicator? And has anyone seen cases where a council has introduced Street View-type imagery at the rejection stage and how adjudicators have treated that?

Thank you.

Link for the photo and rejection letter.
https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1UGYB1npp_cLv3wZke0sbzf1vn6XJT5he?usp=sharing

Ling for google street view.
https://maps.app.goo.gl/HbubUUJwDmVhEqEa7

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Thank you for your reply.
I've just requested it and will upload it once I get it.

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HI

I recently received a PCN for making a U-turn in a prohibited location.

The turn was made on the A10 just after crossing the junction with Broad Lane (to the right) and West Green Road (to the left) – see attached Google Maps link for the exact spot.

It seems that quite recently a new sign was put up there prohibiting U-turns for 140 yards after the junction. Unfortunately, I did not notice it at the time (photo of the sign attached).

My questions are:

Is there any valid basis to challenge this PCN?

Could the fact that the restriction/sign is relatively new and I was not aware of its introduction be a relevant argument?

Does anyone have information on successful challenges or cancellations of a similar PCN at this location?

I have attached the following documents for reference:

Copy of the PCN
Google Maps location link
Photo of the sign
Link to a previous query to TfL about this restriction, along with the official decision document relating to this sign.

Location on google maps:
https://maps.app.goo.gl/WLwgCm5qCf1ThSea9

Google Street View:
https://maps.app.goo.gl/E8W1Z8munw9S4x1J8

TFL - FOI request detail:
https://tfl.gov.uk/corporate/transparency/freedom-of-information/foi-request-detail?referenceId=FOI-0854-2526

GLA 2025 No.0034
https://foi.tfl.gov.uk/FOI-0854-2526/0034%20-%20Banned%20Movements%20Variation%20Order_Redacted.pdf


Any advice or insights would be greatly appreciated.

Thank you very much in advance.

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Hi

Can anyone provide advice or opinions on the following PCN appeal message to ensure it is clear, professional, and legally sound?

Thank you in advance

_________________________


I would first like to clarify a misunderstanding in your previous response to my initial request. In my earlier communication, I did not admit liability nor accept the validity of the charge. Rather, I simply requested an extension of the discount period due to being out of the country and unable to review the PCN in a timely manner. My intention was solely to allow myself adequate time to assess the circumstances and consider my options. At no point did I concede the contravention was valid or waive my right to appeal.

So, after considering the circumstances, I wish to challenge the validity of the PCN on legal grounds, specifically on the basis that the London Borough of Camden has failed to comply with the Traffic Signs Regulations and General Directions 2016 (TSRGD), making the enforcement of this restriction unlawful.
At the location where the PCN was issued, there is only a single sign placed after the junction, following the pedestrian crossing. There are no advance warning signs informing drivers of the restriction ahead. By the time the sign becomes visible, it is often impossible or unsafe for the driver to turn back, making compliance unreasonable.

The failure to provide advance signage contravenes established traffic signage guidelines:

•   "It is essential that all signing provided is necessary, clear and unambiguous, and gives its message to road users at the appropriate time. The message must be quickly and easily understood at the point it is needed; neither too soon that the information might be forgotten, nor too late for the safe performance of any necessary manoeuvre." – Traffic Signs Manual (TSM) Chapter 1, 1.3.2

•   "Signs to give advance warning of regulatory restrictions are sometimes needed;" – TSM Chapter 3, 1.6.4

•   "This is to ensure that drivers have the necessary time to respond to the warning." – TSM Chapter 4, 1.9.1

Given that no advance signage was present and the restriction only became visible after the junction, I contend that the PCN is unenforceable due to non-compliance with the statutory requirements for adequate traffic signage. The absence of appropriate warnings means that drivers were not given a reasonable opportunity to avoid committing the alleged contravention.

In light of the above, I respectfully request that the PCN be cancelled due to Camden’s failure to provide proper signage in accordance with the TSRGD 2016 and the Traffic Signs Manual guidelines.

I appreciate your time in reviewing this appeal and look forward to your prompt response.

Yours faithfully,
[Your Name]


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Hi
I received the attached letter in regards of the PCN above (in reply for the following message online: Your Notes: Dear Sir/Madam, I recently became aware of this letter, but as I was out of the country, I was unable to review it in a timely manner and consider the necessary steps. In light of this, I would appreciate it if you could grant an extension of the discount fare for an additional 14 days to allow me the opportunity to reconsider before making the payment. Thank you for your time and understanding. I look forward to your response. Best regards).

Please advice me how to go furthered  with challenging it.

Thank you in advance



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Hi everyone,

I hope you're all doing well.

I've received two PCNs for the same location and violation code but at different times. I hadn't driven this route before or for a long time prior to this incident, so I was unaware that it had been changed to a bus-only road and unfortunately missed the sign.

Would there be any grounds to appeal both PCNs? For example, if the signage is unclear or does not provide adequate notice?

Additionally, I was out of the country and only saw the PCNs yesterday. I have already requested an extension of 14 days for the discounted rate due to my absence, and the ticket is currently on hold.

I'd appreciate any advice or guidance on how to proceed.

Thanks in advance!

P.S. The PCNs, photos, and location link are attached.

Ling to google drive with all pics: https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/10z-5QG7Ry2cJqo4wRMr6sQXQHNMjYo4_?usp=sharing

Link for google maps: https://maps.app.goo.gl/cYm7UnNE41PqDBQHA

Link for Gooogle street view (farther look): https://maps.app.goo.gl/8atz5PSEAbT9DBt46

Link for Gooogle street view (Closer look): https://maps.app.goo.gl/ea3YbwsxrgV3xNzj7

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Hi
Sorry for my late reply.
The car was parked as the driver assumed that because part of the line is fully erased (updated pictures attached), PCN shouldn't be given.
Any advice? (14 days pass on Saturday).

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Hello,

I would appreciate your advice regarding the attached PCN.

I received this notice on my windshield for a "Code 01 - parking in a restricted street during restricted hours."

Firstly, the yellow lines on the street are severely faded, with portions almost completely erased (see attached photo). Additionally, I am unsure if the lines meet the legally required width.

Secondly, I noticed the PCN has not been signed by the issuing officer.

Could you please advise on how I might challenge this ticket?

Thank you in advance for your assistance.

Link for street view: https://maps.app.goo.gl/zKpNFFeHPQxwiFev8

Link for PCN and Pic: https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1_apUCh3z1hvMFraqSq8e-xvj1nl33HNH?usp=sharing

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Hi
In the Google drive link there's a pdf file which the name of the file starts with GX. There you have all pages of the real PCN.
And yes. It was addressed to myself.

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Hi

The driver was parking the car in the estates and upon returning the the vehicle he noticed the attached notice on the window.
Please guide how to appeal it.

Thank you very much in advance for your guidance.

Google Maps link showing the place of the notice been issued: https://maps.app.goo.gl/dhGRCoZ8EUXLQbU28

Google drive link to view PCN and photos: https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1YkQTNi4T26L4CV6tYl5mAqluI4GXhDJ-?usp=sharing

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Hi everyone,

I recently received a Parking Charge Notice (PCN) after delivering two large trolleys to my local grocery store. The delivery took place in a loading bay, which I thought was appropriate for the trolleys, and I was parked there for less than 5 minutes.

A few days later, I received a PCN in the mail. After researching, I found that court rulings have challenged the legality of PCNs issued by cameras, so I decided to request the footage. I initially called to request the video and was informed that the PCN would be put on hold for 14 days. However, I did not receive the footage. When I called again after 10 days, I was advised that a new request would be made and the PCN would be put on hold for another 14 days. I was also informed that while the payment is on hold, the appeal needs to be submitted within 28 days.

I submitted my appeal within the 28-day period, but I did not receive any correspondence regarding the review. I checked the status online and discovered that my appeal was rejected as of August 19th. It seems that the rejection may have been due to the fact that loading is only permitted between 10 a.m. and 4 p.m., and I was parked there at 4:46 p.m.

What should my next steps be? Should I wait for a formal letter or is there a risk of missing out on any discounted or appealing period?

Thank you in advance for your advice.

P.S. I have attached all relevant documents.


Google Maps link: https://maps.app.goo.gl/mz7y3eeU44TjjrYg8

Link to view PCN and photos: https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/10z-5QG7Ry2cJqo4wRMr6sQXQHNMjYo4_?usp=drive_link

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One more question. This van was converted (adding seats) and is considered as a bus (or minibus) (like he's not paying Congestion charge etc).
Does it means he's allowed to drive through like every school bus?

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