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Private parking tickets / Re: smart parking insufficient paid time
« on: May 02, 2026, 06:46:03 pm »
I filed an acknowledgement of service. And my defence I copied and pasted what I keep seeing:
1. The Defendant denies the claim in its entirety. The Defendant
asserts that there is no liability to the Claimant and that no
debt is owed. The claim is without merit and does not adequately
disclose any comprehensible cause of action.

2. There is a lack of precise detail in the Particulars of Claim
(PoC) in respect of the factual and legal allegations made against
the Defendant such that the PoC do not adequately comply with CPR
16.4.

3. The Defendant is unable to plead properly to the PoC because:

(a) The contract referred to is not detailed or attached to the
PoC in accordance with PD 16, para 7.3(1);

(b) The PoC do not state the exact wording of the clause (or
clauses) of the terms and conditions of the contract (or
contracts) which is/are relied on;

(c) The PoC do not adequately set out the reason (or reasons) why
the claimant asserts the defendant has breached the contract (or
contracts);

(d) The PoC do not state with sufficient particularity exactly
where the breach occurred, the exact time when the breach occurred
and how long it is alleged that the vehicle was parked before the
parking charge was allegedly incurred. Furthermore, PoC fails to
evidence whether the defendant was actually parked on
the claimants car park- which it wasn't;

(e) The PoC do not state precisely how the sum claimed is
calculated, including the basis for any statutory interest,
damages, or other charges;

(f) The PoC do not state what proportion of the claim is the
parking charge and what proportion is damages;

(g) The PoC do not provide clarity on whether the Defendant is
sued as the driver or the keeper of the vehicle, as the claimant
cannot plead alternative causes of action without specificity.

4. The Defendant submits that courts have previously struck out
materially similar claims of their own initiative for failure to
adequately comply with CPR 16.4, particularly where the
Particulars of Claim failed to specify the contractual terms
relied upon or explain the alleged breach with sufficient clarity.

5. In comparable cases involving modest sums, judges have found
that requiring further case management steps would be
disproportionate and contrary to the overriding objective.
Accordingly, strike-out was deemed appropriate. The Defendant
submits that the same reasoning applies in this case and invites
the court to adopt a similar approach by striking out the claim
due to the Claimant’s failure to adequately comply with CPR 16.4,
rather than permitting an amendment. The Defendant proposes that
the following Order be made:

Draft Order:

Of the Court's own initiative and upon reading the particulars of
claim and the defence.

AND the court being of the view that the particulars of claim do
not adequately comply with CPR 16.4(1)(a) because: (a) they do not
set out the exact wording of the clause (or clauses) of the terms
and conditions of the contract which is (or are) relied on; and
(b) they do not adequately set out the reason (or reasons) why the
claimant asserts that the defendant was in breach of contract.

AND the claimant could have complied with CPR 16.4(1)(a) had it
served separate detailed particulars of claim, as it could have
done pursuant to PD 7C, para 5.2, but chose not to do so.

AND upon the Court determining, having regard to the overriding
objective (CPR 1.1), that it would be disproportionate to direct
further pleadings or to allot any further share of the Court’s
resources to this claim (for example by ordering further
particulars of claim and a further defence, with consequent case
management).

ORDER:

1. The claim is struck out.

2. Permission to either party to apply to set aside, vary or stay
this order by application on notice, which must be filed at this
Court not more than 7 days after service of this order, failing
which no such application may be made

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Private parking tickets / Re: Claim form received. What now?
« on: May 02, 2026, 01:15:29 pm »
Don't see a "new thread" button?

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Private parking tickets / Re: smart parking insufficient paid time
« on: May 02, 2026, 01:11:32 pm »
Okay I have tried:
https://ibb.co/gLcc6Qjb
link to claim form

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Private parking tickets / Re: smart parking insufficient paid time
« on: May 02, 2026, 01:02:56 pm »
I have read this first. I find it all to difficult to be honest. I can take a photo. upload it. Don't know how to edit my name etc. out of it?

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Private parking tickets / smart parking insufficient paid time
« on: May 02, 2026, 12:50:12 pm »
Smart parking insufficient paid time. Now have a claim form. How to appeal. Need advice and how to attach please?

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Following this closely as almost identical case. You are a bit further along than me though! I guess as stated they rely on people just giving up and paying! You can't talk to anyone. Not even an email address or you get a don not reply address. I had another ticket. Again exceeding the 3 hrs for Costco going to see Everton at the new stadium. I only stopped for petrol! Couldn't get in or out so ended up parking. I'd only recently bought the car so logbook hadn't been updated. Ticket went to previous owner. Told them he didn't own it and wasn't the registered keeper. Went around and around for 6 months. Finally they gave up yesterday. I even went to their registered office in Liverpool. Onlu to find they have been gone for 6 months. Owe a fortune in rent. And have had hundreds of people turn up looking for them. On the corresondence today it still shows the vacant office as their address. Civil Enforcement:    
Legal Team

Email: legal@ce-service.co.uk
Tel: 01614 515151

Address: Civil Enforcement Ltd, Horton House,
Exchange Flags, Liverpool L2 3PF.

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Private parking tickets / Re: Claim form received. What now?
« on: April 14, 2026, 06:41:21 pm »
I too find myself here! Not sure how to post as a seperate topic. But looking through the site answers seem to be generic? DCB legal typical particulars of claim.
1. indebted for a parking charge
2. date 01/09/24 yes that's when it happened and been back and forth. (later details)
3. Reason: Insufficient Paid Time
4. £170 being the total of the PC and damages plus interest.
amount claimed 191.88
court fee 35
legal rep costs 50
total £276.88

Just about #4 I think the additional charge could be a couple pounds here or there. How do they justify the damages?
I travel a lot. And was away when the initial ticket arrived. By the time I got home and contacted them. I was told I was too late. Sent in proof. And an appeal. Never got an appeal. Was never offered POPLA. And now too late.
Original ticket was with Smart Parking and the only people I communicated with. My last contact was 3/04/25. In the meantime it was transferred/sent to debt recovery plus. I don't acknowledge having recvd anything from them. And then DCB legal. Again I don't acknowledge them either. I only recvd friday as away again.... Claim form dated 31/03/26. I did reply and plan to fight today. I also wish to counterclaim for damages as this has been very stressful. One minute it's over. And then out of the blue a claim form. I've been on this today over 6 hours!
I took a friend (Ukrainian Refugee) sailing at Liverpool Marina. He insisted on paying for parking (very proud people) although very limited English language and even more limited ability to read English! Apparantley we overstayed by 40 minutes? The Marina offer 4 hours free parking (was unaware). They also offer 10% off your bartab with parking receipt ( I am told?) As a group we spent over £120. First when I got the ticket, couldn't believe it. Then the fighting began. Each time left to believe I had satisfied things. They accepted my flight tickets as proof I was out of the country. I then tried an appeal. Never heard back. Was never offered an alternative appeal process. I went to Liverpool Marina myself around April 2025 and was told they had numerous complaints about Smart Parking and had stopped working with them. So they could do nothing to get it cancelled! The appeal process is a joke and I have asked them how many appeals they get. And how many they cancel? I feel this is relevent.I looked up and POPLA is around 40-50% success rate. I have been denied this as now it is now over 18 months to get where we are today!I see lots of posts and refernce to ccj and a standard defence. Is that what I should do and use? Also what about my counterclaim? I also went to Livepool Marina today. Was shown a large 3 inch binder full of complaints (including mine) from Smart parking. They are now with a different company. Please help..........

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