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Civil penalty charge notices (Councils, TFL and so on) / Re: **PCN Lambeth - 53J - multiple PCNs before first notice received / proportionality**
« on: May 30, 2026, 04:33:18 pm »
ive just sent it over to you via Email 
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Civil penalty charge notices (Councils, TFL and so on) / Re: **PCN Lambeth - 53J - multiple PCNs before first notice received / proportionality**
« on: May 29, 2026, 05:50:27 pm »
Take a look at the signage: https://postimg.cc/8jCMMFyM
another member has pointed out that by the time the sign becomes fully readable, the manoeuvre to turn on the road has already begun. add to that, most people will be focused on pedestrians and oncoming cars when turning. (in my pcn you can literally see pedestrians crossing right where this picture is taken)
“While signage may technically comply, the nature and positioning of the restriction meant the issue was not immediately obvious to a driver unfamiliar with the area turning into the road. This contextualises why repeated contraventions occurred before the first PCN was served.”
this could potentially support my appeal, curious to know what you guys think.
another member has pointed out that by the time the sign becomes fully readable, the manoeuvre to turn on the road has already begun. add to that, most people will be focused on pedestrians and oncoming cars when turning. (in my pcn you can literally see pedestrians crossing right where this picture is taken)
“While signage may technically comply, the nature and positioning of the restriction meant the issue was not immediately obvious to a driver unfamiliar with the area turning into the road. This contextualises why repeated contraventions occurred before the first PCN was served.”
this could potentially support my appeal, curious to know what you guys think.
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Civil penalty charge notices (Councils, TFL and so on) / Re: **PCN Lambeth - 53J - multiple PCNs before first notice received / proportionality**
« on: May 29, 2026, 11:54:02 am »
@Hippocrates Ive PM'ed you!
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Civil penalty charge notices (Councils, TFL and so on) / Re: **PCN Lambeth - 53J - multiple PCNs before first notice received / proportionality**
« on: May 29, 2026, 11:19:09 am »
@ryan93
Thank you, that is really helpful.
The “failure to consider” point is something I had not properly considered before, especially as the rejection responses seem almost entirely focused on signage and do not appear to engage with the actual timeline/proportionality arguments I raised regarding all subsequent PCNs occurring before service of the first notice.
I also appreciate the advice regarding screenshots and portal dates. I will make sure to document everything carefully from this point onwards, including submission dates, portal status and discount deadlines in case any inconsistencies arise.
The discretion point is also interesting, particularly given that I provided evidence of financial hardship and immediate behavioural change once notified, yet the responses do not appear to address that context at all.
Thanks again for taking the time to explain this.
Thank you, that is really helpful.
The “failure to consider” point is something I had not properly considered before, especially as the rejection responses seem almost entirely focused on signage and do not appear to engage with the actual timeline/proportionality arguments I raised regarding all subsequent PCNs occurring before service of the first notice.
I also appreciate the advice regarding screenshots and portal dates. I will make sure to document everything carefully from this point onwards, including submission dates, portal status and discount deadlines in case any inconsistencies arise.
The discretion point is also interesting, particularly given that I provided evidence of financial hardship and immediate behavioural change once notified, yet the responses do not appear to address that context at all.
Thanks again for taking the time to explain this.
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Civil penalty charge notices (Councils, TFL and so on) / Re: **PCN Lambeth - 53J - multiple PCNs before first notice received / proportionality**
« on: May 28, 2026, 08:13:19 pm »
Exactly, That is essentially the basis on which I intend to continue the formal representations for the remaining PCNs.
however if i lose my formal appeal ill be looking at 2x the fine amounts of which i have already shown evidence to the council i cannot afford to pay, evidence of which they have ignored completely.
however if i lose my formal appeal ill be looking at 2x the fine amounts of which i have already shown evidence to the council i cannot afford to pay, evidence of which they have ignored completely.
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Civil penalty charge notices (Councils, TFL and so on) / Re: **PCN Lambeth - 53J - multiple PCNs before first notice received / proportionality**
« on: May 28, 2026, 02:19:27 pm »
additionally, If this progresses to London Tribunals, is there anyone here who undertakes representation or drafting assistance for these types of cases? i'd be willing to pay.
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Civil penalty charge notices (Councils, TFL and so on) / Re: **PCN Lambeth - 53J - multiple PCNs before first notice received / proportionality**
« on: May 28, 2026, 12:38:36 pm »
Just following up in case anyone has had a chance to look at this further.
Any guidance before I move into the formal stage would be hugely appreciated.
Any guidance before I move into the formal stage would be hugely appreciated.
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Civil penalty charge notices (Councils, TFL and so on) / Re: **PCN Lambeth - 53J - multiple PCNs before first notice received / proportionality**
« on: May 19, 2026, 02:42:34 pm »
@Hippocrates and all,
Just updating as the further 4 rejection responses have come through.
The responses appear to be template replies focusing mainly on signage, without really addressing anything i've said. They are all identical in wording
My position from here is that I intend to continue contesting the remaining PCNs on the basis that I had no opportunity to modify my behaviour before becoming aware of the restriction (first contravention 27/02, first notice received approx 09/03).
I also intend to rely on the point raised earlier regarding a motorist being entitled to know when and what to pay according to the statutory process and council publications, as the sequence and timing here meant liability accumulated before I was even aware there was an issue.
The financial aspect is not my primary argument, but I have provided evidence showing the cumulative amount is beyond what I can realistically afford, which I believe is relevant when considering proportionality and discretion.
My concern is that if I continue through the formal process and ultimately lose, the penalties increase substantially despite already having demonstrated financial hardship. However, I also feel I have little option but to continue, as the rejection responses so far do not appear to engage with the actual circumstances or points raised, and instead seem largely standardised.
Does that seem like the correct overall approach from here, particularly for formal representations and potentially tribunal if necessary?
Appreciate all the help so far.
Just updating as the further 4 rejection responses have come through.
The responses appear to be template replies focusing mainly on signage, without really addressing anything i've said. They are all identical in wording
My position from here is that I intend to continue contesting the remaining PCNs on the basis that I had no opportunity to modify my behaviour before becoming aware of the restriction (first contravention 27/02, first notice received approx 09/03).
I also intend to rely on the point raised earlier regarding a motorist being entitled to know when and what to pay according to the statutory process and council publications, as the sequence and timing here meant liability accumulated before I was even aware there was an issue.
The financial aspect is not my primary argument, but I have provided evidence showing the cumulative amount is beyond what I can realistically afford, which I believe is relevant when considering proportionality and discretion.
My concern is that if I continue through the formal process and ultimately lose, the penalties increase substantially despite already having demonstrated financial hardship. However, I also feel I have little option but to continue, as the rejection responses so far do not appear to engage with the actual circumstances or points raised, and instead seem largely standardised.
Does that seem like the correct overall approach from here, particularly for formal representations and potentially tribunal if necessary?
Appreciate all the help so far.
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Civil penalty charge notices (Councils, TFL and so on) / Re: **PCN Lambeth - 53J - multiple PCNs before first notice received / proportionality**
« on: May 06, 2026, 10:35:28 am »
@Hippocrates
Just following up as I’m conscious of the 14-day deadline approaching.
I’m planning to pay the first PCN at the discounted rate to limit the risk.
For the remaining PCNs, I intend to make formal representations on the basis that all contraventions occurred before I received the first PCN (27/02 contravention, first notice received approx 09/03), so I had no opportunity to modify my behaviour. And under evidence of financial hardship.
I may try contacting Lambeth for clarity as well, but I understand they’ll likely just refer me back to the formal process.
Would you be able to assist with drafting the formal representations for the remaining PCNs on that basis?
Happy to provide anything further needed.
Just following up as I’m conscious of the 14-day deadline approaching.
I’m planning to pay the first PCN at the discounted rate to limit the risk.
For the remaining PCNs, I intend to make formal representations on the basis that all contraventions occurred before I received the first PCN (27/02 contravention, first notice received approx 09/03), so I had no opportunity to modify my behaviour. And under evidence of financial hardship.
I may try contacting Lambeth for clarity as well, but I understand they’ll likely just refer me back to the formal process.
Would you be able to assist with drafting the formal representations for the remaining PCNs on that basis?
Happy to provide anything further needed.
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Civil penalty charge notices (Councils, TFL and so on) / Re: **PCN Lambeth - 53J - multiple PCNs before first notice received / proportionality**
« on: May 04, 2026, 11:46:27 am »Thanks, I appreciate that.
I’ll pay the first PCN at the discounted rate.
For the remaining PCNs, would you be able to help me draft the formal representations based on the proportionality and/or financial hardship argument?
All contraventions occurred before I received the first PCN (27/02 contravention, received around 09/03), and I stopped using the road immediately after becoming aware.
Happy to provide any further details needed.
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Civil penalty charge notices (Councils, TFL and so on) / Re: **PCN Lambeth - 53J - multiple PCNs before first notice received / proportionality**
« on: May 03, 2026, 02:02:10 pm »Hi all, I’m looking for some advice as a follow-up to my situation, as things have now progressed and I’m unsure on the best course of action.
I previously posted about receiving multiple PCNs from Lambeth for driving through a pedestrian/school street restriction on Sunnyhill Road. The first contravention occurred on 27th February 2026 at 15:35, but the first PCN was only received around 9th March. During that period, I continued to use the road, so any further contraventions occurred before I had any opportunity to change my behaviour.
Following the advice given here, I submitted informal challenges for all PCNs, explaining that I was unaware of the restriction at the time and that all contraventions took place before I received the first PCN. I also explained that the total amount is more than I can afford to live on for the month, and I provided evidence of this.
I have now received a rejection for the first PCN, which appears to be a standard/template response. It focuses only on the signage being clear and does not address the key point that all subsequent contraventions occurred before I had any opportunity to modify my behaviour. It also does not acknowledge the financial evidence I provided or offer any form of payment arrangement.
At the moment this rejection is only for the first PCN, but I have already received 4 further PCNs for the same location, and I can only assume the others will be rejected in a similar way.
For clarity:
* First contravention date: 27/02/2026 at 15:35
* First PCN received: approximately 09/03/2026
* Additional PCNs: 4 further PCNs already received, all for the same location and all occurring before I became aware of the restriction
As soon as I received the first PCN, I stopped using the road during restricted hours.
From the advice in my previous thread, I understand this is not “continuous contravention” in the strict sense, but rather an argument that enforcing multiple PCNs in these circumstances is disproportionate, as I had no opportunity to change my behaviour before being notified.
This is already unaffordable for me and does not seem proportionate to the nature of the contravention. I did provide evidence of my financial situation, but I don’t feel this has been considered at all.
Given this, I would really appreciate advice on:
1. Is it worth pursuing formal representations (and potentially tribunal) for all PCNs on the basis of proportionality?
2. If i am forced to pay all 5 pcns, is there any ways to spread the cost or ways in which there is support for someone in my financial situation?
I am conscious of the 14-day discount period for the first PCN, so any guidance on the best approach from here would be greatly appreciated.
link to pcn's and appeal response: https://postimg.cc/gallery/CLLdcvc
**TL;DR:**
Received 5 PCNs for the same restriction, all before the first notice arrived. Challenged all; first one rejected with a template response ignoring the timeline. Total cost is unaffordable. Trying to decide whether to pay the first at discount or pursue formal appeals for all based on proportionality.
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Civil penalty charge notices (Councils, TFL and so on) / Re: **PCN Lambeth - 53J - multiple PCNs before first notice received / proportionality**
« on: March 22, 2026, 09:16:57 pm »
any advice ?
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Civil penalty charge notices (Councils, TFL and so on) / Re: **PCN Lambeth - 53J - multiple PCNs before first notice received / proportionality**
« on: March 21, 2026, 11:24:53 am »
Update 4 more pcn's have arrived as suspected, same road, so £400 total now.
Hoping i can argue continuous contravention.
Hoping i can argue continuous contravention.
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Civil penalty charge notices (Councils, TFL and so on) / Re: **PCN Lambeth - 53J - multiple PCNs before first notice received / proportionality**
« on: March 21, 2026, 11:20:39 am »
third times a charm: https://postimg.cc/gallery/DJZ1nM5
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Civil penalty charge notices (Councils, TFL and so on) / Re: **PCN Lambeth - 53J - multiple PCNs before first notice received / proportionality**
« on: March 19, 2026, 11:58:06 pm »
apologies, updated link includes the price and discounted price as well as proof of screen shot time in the top right
: https://postimg.cc/gallery/6NMNFV1
: https://postimg.cc/gallery/6NMNFV1
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