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Do not pay anything and simply state that a motorist is entitled to know when and what to pay according to the statutory process in all publications provided by the council.
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@Hippocrates and all,

Just updating as the further 4 rejection responses have come through.

The responses appear to be template replies focusing mainly on signage, without really addressing anything i've said. They are all identical in wording

My position from here is that I intend to continue contesting the remaining PCNs on the basis that I had no opportunity to modify my behaviour before becoming aware of the restriction (first contravention 27/02, first notice received approx 09/03).

I also intend to rely on the point raised earlier regarding a motorist being entitled to know when and what to pay according to the statutory process and council publications, as the sequence and timing here meant liability accumulated before I was even aware there was an issue.

The financial aspect is not my primary argument, but I have provided evidence showing the cumulative amount is beyond what I can realistically afford, which I believe is relevant when considering proportionality and discretion.

My concern is that if I continue through the formal process and ultimately lose, the penalties increase substantially despite already having demonstrated financial hardship. However, I also feel I have little option but to continue, as the rejection responses so far do not appear to engage with the actual circumstances or points raised, and instead seem largely standardised.

Does that seem like the correct overall approach from here, particularly for formal representations and potentially tribunal if necessary?

Appreciate all the help so far.
« Last Edit: May 19, 2026, 02:44:10 pm by ihateinjustice24 »

Just following up in case anyone has had a chance to look at this further.

Any guidance before I move into the formal stage would be hugely appreciated.

additionally, If this progresses to London Tribunals, is there anyone here who undertakes representation or drafting assistance for these types of cases? i'd be willing to pay.

Hopefully someone will respond to your question.

If they have failed to consider your representation then that's a legal point that can be challenged in accordance with paragraph 1(7) under Schedule 1 of the relevant legislation. Now if you cited all the PCNs in that single representation, then that argument may apply to all the PCNs you cited.

If you submit a representation, make sure the PCN portal cites the correct date for submission, once I submitted a representation on Lambeth’s PCN portal, it cited the correct date, then a few days later it changed the date, it seemed to change the date when I sent a question to Lambeth Parking services. I used this error as another legal point to challenge. Also, calculate the last day for the PCN discount and take a screenshot of portal on that date, then take a screenshot the day after incase there are errors.

With regards to the LA exercising discretion, under Section 87 of the Traffic Management Act, they should give regard to the guidance from the secretary of state, this official guidance explicitly mandates that authorities must not fetter their discretion. Gov.uk states on 28 May 2026: “They should approach the exercise of discretion objectively and without regard to any financial interest in the penalty or decisions that may have been taken at an earlier stage in proceedings.”

However, I think the failure to consider argument and screenshot errors on the PCN portal (if any occur) may be a valuable strategy of appeal. I had a recent win against Lambeth, they did not contest at tribunal, just on the basis of a PCN portal screenshot error and telephone recordings where they misinformed the appellant of the enforcement process. Though I am unsure if they operate customer service by telephone or email in recent times.

@Incandescent, please correct me if I am mistaken but for moving traffic pcns would a “repeated contravention” be considered if service of the first PCN comes after the other contraventions occurred or is it strictly limited to parking pcns? In terms of a “continuous contravention” could that apply if a driver passed through multiple traffic restrictions in an area in a window of time on the same date. As I recall seeing cases like that on the previous forum (though it does not apply here).

Continuous contravention has, up to now, been used for cases where several PCNs were served to a car, but the car didn't move over the period when the PCNs were served.

I've not seen "repeated contravention" at the adjudicators, but if it is in use, I would think that it applies to a person receiving a postal PCN on a particular date, then several more for the same location, dated between the first PCN, and the date it was served, (arrived) at the person's address.

Exactly, That is essentially the basis on which I intend to continue the formal representations for the remaining PCNs.

however if i lose my formal appeal ill be looking at 2x the fine amounts of which i have already shown evidence to the council i cannot afford to pay, evidence of which they have ignored completely.

additionally, If this progresses to London Tribunals, is there anyone here who undertakes representation or drafting assistance for these types of cases? i'd be willing to pay.

I sir. Free.
@Incandescent!

I AM ABLE TO TAKE ON MORE CASES AS A REPRESENTATIVE AT THE LONDON TRIBUNALS. I HATE RETIREMENT.


If you do not challenge, you join "The Mugged Club".

cp8759 and mrmustard are true geniuses. I know my place in the hierarchy of The Three Musketeers. 😊 "The Clinician", "The Gentleman" and "The Showman"

There are "known knowns" which we may never have wished to know. This applies to them. But in the field the idea that there are also "unknown unknowns" doesn't apply as they hide in the aleatoric lottery. I know this is true and need to be prepared knowing the "unknown unknowns" may well apply.

To Socrates from "Hippocrates"

@ryan93

Thank you, that is really helpful.

The “failure to consider” point is something I had not properly considered before, especially as the rejection responses seem almost entirely focused on signage and do not appear to engage with the actual timeline/proportionality arguments I raised regarding all subsequent PCNs occurring before service of the first notice.

I also appreciate the advice regarding screenshots and portal dates. I will make sure to document everything carefully from this point onwards, including submission dates, portal status and discount deadlines in case any inconsistencies arise.

The discretion point is also interesting, particularly given that I provided evidence of financial hardship and immediate behavioural change once notified, yet the responses do not appear to address that context at all.

Thanks again for taking the time to explain this.


Take a look at the signage:

another member has pointed out that by the time the sign becomes fully readable, the manoeuvre to turn on the road has already begun. add to that, most people will be focused on pedestrians and oncoming cars when turning. (in my pcn you can literally see pedestrians crossing right where this picture is taken)

“While signage may technically comply, the nature and positioning of the restriction meant the issue was not immediately obvious to a driver unfamiliar with the area turning into the road. This contextualises why repeated contraventions occurred before the first PCN was served.”

this could potentially support my appeal, curious to know what you guys think.

What representation's exactly were written as I need these to file the appeal(s)?
@Incandescent!

I AM ABLE TO TAKE ON MORE CASES AS A REPRESENTATIVE AT THE LONDON TRIBUNALS. I HATE RETIREMENT.


If you do not challenge, you join "The Mugged Club".

cp8759 and mrmustard are true geniuses. I know my place in the hierarchy of The Three Musketeers. 😊 "The Clinician", "The Gentleman" and "The Showman"

There are "known knowns" which we may never have wished to know. This applies to them. But in the field the idea that there are also "unknown unknowns" doesn't apply as they hide in the aleatoric lottery. I know this is true and need to be prepared knowing the "unknown unknowns" may well apply.

To Socrates from "Hippocrates"

ive just sent it over to you via Email  ;)

Just replying to OP, yes valid point indeed, they have not given much consideration to signage placement, as one of the signs is not roadside compared to its respective counterpart, the sign is placed on the pavement boundary, rather than curbside. Read LT case reference: 2250620799 vs 2240515459, I suspect the signage argument was recently refused due to blue advance warning sign. Unfortunately it’s classic Lambeth, poor signage placement for restriction that’s caveated with a blue advance warning sign. Noticed a similar situation on Crescent Lane / Elm Crescent, GSV not up to date. Just wish the LA would appreciate that an advance warning sign is not there to nullify the flaws in the placement of a restriction, rather both should meet the requisite standard to give effect. Presuming it’s a ‘penalty exceeded amount applicable in the circumstances of the case’, after listing the collateral points of appeal, if there are any flaws in legal notices, PCN portal, procedural improprieties (if applicable), then one can always mention signage as supplementary point. Be interesting to hear the outcome.
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