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Speeding and other criminal offences / Re: NIP red light A240
« on: June 03, 2026, 01:23:55 pm »

I would suggest it’s only common amongst drivers who gun it when amber appears. It’s not common amongst those who treat amber in the same way as red – i.e. it means “stop”.

My experience - especially in large cities like London - shows that the drivers who really intend to jump the lights - do this at the expense of others. And those who crossed the stop line on green may face a number of scenarios: 1) The traffic in front of them comes to a standstill; 2) A car from another lane swerves and blocks the way forward; 3) A cyclist/pedestrian appears on your way and so on. The light changes and the car is over the stop line. And had the driver stopped before the stop line - they may never make it through as everyone from all sides will try to get in front of them. This is a common scenario where box junctions are not present.
Not to mention the scenario when the light changes to amber and you see in the mirror that the car behind you started to accelerate (when I contracted in Greece, this was one of the instructions to British drivers).
I understand this may not be the right place for a discussion, but for me it leaves a question of how not to fall a victim when you started crossing on green but were prevented from reaching the exit.

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Speeding and other criminal offences / Re: NIP red light A240
« on: June 02, 2026, 10:23:50 pm »
Thanks for the explanation. I now understand the nature of the offence, though the position of the rear wheels is not visible in the evidence. This scenario of a car fully or partially past the stop line when the light changes is quite common, I need to work out the correct action in any future case. And I have to admit that I can't see the sensors around the stop line on the Street View.

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Speeding and other criminal offences / Re: NIP red light A240
« on: June 02, 2026, 07:08:31 pm »
Thank you for looking into this. I'd say that on a busy road it is not realistic for the driver to ascertain if the rear wheels are a few centimetres on the either side of the line when most of the body is past it. Which brings me to a scenario about how the red light cameras work (it is likely the one that occurred):if a car stopped over the line for whatever reason (car in front, emergency vehicle, pedestrian) and the light changed to red - will the camera be triggered? Or only if the car keeps moving? And if a car has to move for any reason (e.g. driver behind it not intending to stop)?
"The offence is committed if any part of the vehicle moves over the stop line whilst red is illuminated " - is the camera triggered by the weight of the wheels or by any part of the body passing? I'm just trying to work out the proper course of action for a driver who crossed the stop line on green or yellow but had to stop and the light changed to red.
I always believed - apparently wrong - that the offence is to start crossing the line (or moving past the camera) after the light had turned red and the car that had already crossed the line has either to keep moving or to stop - whichever is safe.

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Speeding and other criminal offences / NIP red light A240
« on: June 02, 2026, 06:02:53 pm »
Good afternoon everyone,
Just received an NIP as a keeper and I'm still trying to understand what the driver did wrong to trigger the camera.
Offence: Drive on road other than motorway, fail comply with red/green arrow/lane closure light signals - automatic equipment.
Location: A240 Kingston Rd j/w Jubilee Way N/B KT4 (5020).
Recorded time into Red: 1 seconds.

I'm not familiar with the area, but here is the Google Maps link (travelling Northbound) : https://www.google.com/maps/place/Kingston+Rd+%26+Jubilee+Way,+Chessington,+Worcester+Park+KT4+7QH/@51.3749662,-0.2770246,63a,35y,359.19h,45.05t/data=!3m1!1e3!4m15!1m8!3m7!1s0x48760988e3a4f5c7:0x24cc32b56df3b197!2sKingston+Rd+%26+Jubilee+Way,+Chessington,+Worcester+Park+KT4+7QH!3b1!8m2!3d51.3758121!4d-0.2769744!16s%2Fg%2F11f39j81c_!3m5!1s0x48760988e3a4f5c7:0x24cc32b56df3b197!8m2!3d51.3758121!4d-0.2769744!16s%2Fg%2F11f39j81c_?entry=ttu&g_ep=EgoyMDI2MDUyNy4wIKXMDSoASAFQAw%3D%3D

And here is the link to the evidence: https://u52741.imgbb.com/

The car in question is the blue Audi.

The first picture showing the car before the box junction does not seem to be relevant to an alleged offence.
The second and the third pictures show the car already past the stop line and the traffic lights. The car in front is apparently stalled, while the cars in the middle and left lanes kept moving. Evidence showing the car crossing the line was either not provided or does not exist, therefore I'm struggling to understand how the offence occurred.

As it is from the police - there is no option to appeal or ask questions, just to identify the driver.

I'd appreciate your understanding of the alleged offence and recommended actions.
Thank you.

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Yes, the round sign - if it has not been replaced by the rectangular one in the evidence - is mandatory. Different contravention, but now it is getting clearer. Thank you.

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If the round sign is still there - I don't have a leg to stand on, but shouldn't this be a different contravention? "A one-way restriction" implies driving against the traffic.

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The blue rectangular sign with white arrow in the evidence is informational and only confirms that the car was moving in the allowed direction on Maple Street. It does not place a restriction by itself in my understanding of the Highway Code.

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Good afternoon,

Here are the imgpile links:
https://cdn.imgpile.com/f/6nbFJ4N_md.jpg 
https://cdn.imgpile.com/f/7LMRTxb_md.jpg  https://cdn.imgpile.com/f/L7EhdNs_xs.mp4 
https://cdn.imgpile.com/f/cTnL5Ds_md.png 
https://cdn.imgpile.com/f/HHzWNtZ_md.png 

I was driving my partner's car from the hospital at night.
The PCN states "Failing to comply with a one-way restriction" and from the evidence I could not work out what I had done wrong.
To start with - there is no mentioning of the exact location. I assumed the junction of Maple Street and Tottenham Court Road as the probable location due to the traffic lights in the pictures.
The car was going to the right direction (eastbound) on the one-way Maple street and there is no prohibition to turn left visible in the evidence.
Google Street View does show an Ahead Only sign outside of the images area, but it is dated 2024.

I'm prepared to accept being wrong, but from the evidence I don't see where and how this specific contravention took place.

Any advice appreciated.

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Barnet PALS was useless.
Royal Free parking services are more sensible: rf-tr.parkingrfl@nhs.net.

It is one of the ANPR cameras operated car park, where parking time is measured between entrance and exit shots without any evidence of actual parking.

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An update: the first to respond was Copthall Manager (not the GLL CEO). Both PCNs have been cancelled.
More may be on their way for this 2-months period, but it is the end of the beginning.
It cheers me up when I come across a sane person in a service-oriented organisation.

Many thanks to b789 for taking time to advise.

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Thank you!

I've briefly stopped at the entrance to the Leisure Centre car park today, causing the fury of other drivers, to take pictures (added to Imgur).

When turning from Champions Way towards the car park, there is a single sign on the right. From the car I can only read "Private Land. Pay and Park". Anything below that is in a small font that is not readable from the car in the left lane. There are no signs at the entrance to the marked parking spaces, but there are signs spread around the car park.

Not sure how it can help my future defence, but I feel confident that no ANPR warnings were missed deliberately as they were not visible from a moving car.

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Apologies for being pesky but I'd like to avoid pitfalls, especially when multiple PCNs are expected.

Copthall Leisure Centre is managed by better.org.uk which is a part of GLL.
One way to contact them is to submit complaint via form on better.org.uk, another is to email GLL CEO Peter Bundey on    peter.bundey@gll.org.

I consider the following text:

"I started getting PCNs from Gemini Parking Solutions as a registered keeper of the car BV15 SNK. The car was used to drop off a student for school swimming lessons at Copthall Leisure Centre on Monday mornings during September-October. The charges are unfair and I urge you, as a CEO of the Leisure Centre owner, to cancel them."

Which one is a preferred option?

Many thanks.

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Thank you.

Is it worth adding to the appeal that (if my understanding is correct) according to paragraph 9 of PoFA 2012 "The relevant period for the purposes of sub-paragraph (4) is the period of 14 days beginning with the day after that on which the specified period of parking ended", meaning PCN was issued 3 days after 14 days period?
Or it will change nothing and my appeals to Gemini and IAS (I've heard about their notoriety before) are nominal and the case will proceed to the court anyway?

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Thank you, b789.

As anticipated, PCNs started to arrive for other visits.
It was issued on 25 October for the alleged contravention on 7 October, is this within the time limits?
I've added images to Imgur: https://imgur.com/a/MfjmWms.

Before I go back and take pictures - I do not wish to speculate about the signage.

At this stage I wonder about the best way to deal with this (and coming) PCNs.
I also wonder how to complain to Copthall Leisure Centre without revealing the identity of drivers as these visits were to drop off our son for school swimming lessons before 8:20am.

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Really useful - thank you.

I don't have any immediate plans to be way but 6 years is a long period...

Is there any benefit in requesting the original PCN or complaining to the Copthall Leisure Centre?

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