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Civil penalty charge notices (Councils, TFL and so on) / Re: Ealing, PCN 32JD Failing to proceed in direction shown, Greenford Road / The Broadway / Ruislip Road
« on: March 03, 2026, 12:01:36 am »
Thank you Incandescent. I appreciate your candidness. I will go ahead with the representation in any case and see if get anywhere with it.

If possible, could you confirm if I should make a representation similar to one drafted by @cp8759 in link below? If yes, any idea what those links are supposed to be?

https://www.ftla.uk/civil-penalty-charge-notices-(councils-tfl-and-so-on)/ealing-council-greenford-road-code-32jd-fail-proceed-in-direction-shown-by-arrow/msg22647/#msg22647

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Civil penalty charge notices (Councils, TFL and so on) / Re: Ealing, PCN 32JD Failing to proceed in direction shown, Greenford Road / The Broadway / Ruislip Road
« on: March 02, 2026, 11:31:37 pm »
Thanks for the detailed explanation Incandescent. That makes perfect sense.

Just to clarify one thing - Is the idea to make reps and see if the council has given us legal basis for an appeal to the adjusicators? and if not, then would I be best to just pay the reduced £80 charge (assuming they still offer that after the response to my representation?). Out of interest, do you know how likely it is for the appeal to adjudicators to be allowed? Of course, after all this effort, I wouldn't want to end up with my father having to pay the full £160 (or increased £240?) charge.

Following the PCN letter, it seems I can make reps to the council by emailing them on parkingrep@ealing.gov.uk

Could you confirm if I should make a representation similar to one drafted by @cp8759 in link below? If yes, any idea what those links are supposed to be?

https://www.ftla.uk/civil-penalty-charge-notices-(councils-tfl-and-so-on)/ealing-council-greenford-road-code-32jd-fail-proceed-in-direction-shown-by-arrow/msg22647/#msg22647

Thanks again, really appreciate your help.

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Civil penalty charge notices (Councils, TFL and so on) / Re: Ealing, PCN 32JD Failing to proceed in direction shown, Greenford Road / The Broadway / Ruislip Road
« on: March 02, 2026, 09:53:48 pm »
Quote from: Incandescent on March 02, 2026, 01:50:24 pm
If you go onto GSV and then to the street view, at top left of the view in the black box, you'll see the date of the view, then to the right (in blue text), 'See more dates' This only appears if there are more views.

It's best if you or your father write the representations to the council.They have to prove their case, so for reps, (which will be rejected no matter how valid), you just need to say that the video does not show you passing and restrictive signs or aspects on the traffic lights and leave it at that.

Cool thanks for that, good to know.

Sorry but I'm not very clear on what I need to do here. By writing a representation to the council, do you mean appealing the PCN? What does 'reps' mean? and if it's going to get rejected no matter what then is there a point to this exercise? Sorry I'm just a little confused with it, hope you don't mind elaborating on it a bit.

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Civil penalty charge notices (Councils, TFL and so on) / Re: Ealing, PCN 32JD Failing to proceed in direction shown, Greenford Road / The Broadway / Ruislip Road
« on: March 02, 2026, 01:34:16 pm »
Quote from: Incandescent on March 02, 2026, 09:48:50 am
So here is a less crowded GSV view (Sept 22) showing the traffic light displays: -
https://maps.app.goo.gl/9Q3Pwt2AmqobMey27
and another for Aug 21
https://maps.app.goo.gl/P5mxHs2FsBWCFzxy8
Note the mandatory right turn arrow.
The views show that the LH lights are for the LH lane and display green arrows for straight ahead and left. When this array is green, the RH lane array is red, then when the LH lane array is red, the RH lane array shows a green mandatory right turn arrow. So the inference from the video, which doesn't show the traffic light displays, is that your father went ahead on red.  However, by not showing the traffic lights, and hence the signs passed, he could well have a case at London Tribunals, but must, of course, first submit representations to Ealing.

Thank you for this Incandescent. It does seem to be the case, a momentary lapse of judgement or perhaps an incorrectly judged safe and legal procedure. I appreciate you looking into it. Out of interest, how were you able to get these old GSV links for the same junction? I wasn't aware this facility existed.

Would you be able to help me with the appeal if it's reasonable to do so?

I've noticed a few other posts as well where people have been caught out on the same junction - links below:

https://www.ftla.uk/civil-penalty-charge-notices-(councils-tfl-and-so-on)/ealing-alleged-traffic-contravention-of-32jd/15/

https://www.ftla.uk/civil-penalty-charge-notices-(councils-tfl-and-so-on)/ealing-council-greenford-road-code-32jd-fail-proceed-in-direction-shown-by-arrow/

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Civil penalty charge notices (Councils, TFL and so on) / Re: Ealing, PCN 32JD Failing to proceed in direction shown, Greenford Road / The Broadway / Ruislip Road
« on: March 02, 2026, 01:38:57 am »
Quote from: Incandescent on March 01, 2026, 09:33:27 pm
Please post a GSV link so we can see what is on the traffic lights you were standing at.

Thanks for your response Incandescent. I'm 99% sure this is the junction based on the video, however I will double check with my father in the morning.

https://maps.app.goo.gl/BLmsP8kr5LiHNicXA

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Civil penalty charge notices (Councils, TFL and so on) / Ealing, PCN 32JD Failing to proceed in direction shown, Greenford Road / The Broadway / Ruislip Road
« on: March 01, 2026, 08:06:55 pm »
Hello, I'm hoping someone may be able to help with this PCN that my father has received. Seems lots of people have been caught out here on other posts I've spotted so looking for advice on the best course of action at this time. Is an appeal worth it here? If so, I would be very grateful if someone could help with the appeal please.

Details of the PCN:

Council - Ealing
The alleged contravention - 32JD Failing to proceed in direction shown on blue sign
Location - Greenford - I believe at the junction of Greenford Road / The Broadway / Ruislip Road

I have included links below to the pictures of the PCN and CCTV images and video provided by the council on viewmypcn.

https://imgpile.com/p/EXMdZBh

https://youtu.be/8vpkuqM0gk8

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