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Evening Everyone.

Posting on behalf of a friend. He thought he was parking in a correct bay and as it was at night didn`t see the markings on the road.   

Does anyone think this can be appealable or he should just bite the bullet.
He wasn`t parked for long but obviously these kind of PCNs don`t need observation time at all.

Please let me know if he has any ground of appeal?

Thank you very much






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sent - thank you very much for your help. let`s see what they come back with.

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Have they rebutted or answered all the points raised in the appeal?

Can you please show us their "evidence" especially any photos of the signs at the bay where the driver parked. Also, we need to see their evidence of landowner authority.

Use something like DropBox or Google Drive to show us. Just make sure that it is set to "public".

They have included pictures but regarding the duration nothing was mentioned. Please find attached link https://drive.google.com/file/d/1tCgPzyuhh4PWg69vzYRMLfnGEjBxUSGs/view

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Initial Parking has sent their evidence with pictures etc and at the bottom, they have put this comment.

"Please be advised, the car park in question is Private Land. As stated on our, very large, BPA
approvedsigns 'These tariffs do apply to Blue Badge holders’. You can pay for parking time via pay
and displaymachine, via phone or via app. Therefore, as no parking time was paid, the charge
remains valid andpayment is due.
We attach our Parking Enforcement documentation signed by both the landowner and ourselves. All
signs on site are very large, BPA compliant and advise the motorist that if they do not wish to remain
on site they must leave within 10 minutes of entry. We follow the BPA practice allowing the
appropriate grace period on site."

Is there any comment I should put? I have 7 days to respond.

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If that is a disabled bay, where are the signs with the terms and conditions that must be readable by the driver without needing to exit the vehicle as per PPSCoP §4.1 which states:

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4.1 The parking operator must ensure that at least one sign containing the terms and conditions for parking can be viewed without the driver needing to leave the vehicle, in order for drivers with a disability to be able to make an informed decision on whether to park at the premises.

Here is a POPLA draft you can paste directly into the webform. :

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POPLA Appeal – Parking Charge Notice [xxxxxx] – Vehicle [VRM]
Operator: Initial Parking Ltd
Site: Y Ganolfan Community Centre, LL49 9LU
Date of alleged event: 17/11/2025
Date of Notice to Keeper: 20/11/2025

I am the registered keeper of the vehicle. I am not obliged to identify the driver and I decline to do so. My liability is limited to that of the registered keeper, which is denied. I contend that I am not liable for this Parking Charge Notice and I request that POPLA allow my appeal on the following grounds:

1. No keeper liability under the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012 – the Notice to Keeper does not specify a valid “period of parking” as required by Schedule 4 paragraph 9(2)(a)

2. Further non-compliance with the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012 Schedule 4, including failure to describe the parking charges allegedly due under paragraph 9(2)(d)

3. Failure to comply with the Private Parking Single Code of Practice (PPSCoP) Section 4.1 – no terms and conditions visible from within the vehicle in the disabled bay

4. Inadequate and unclear signage, especially in relation to disabled bays and Blue Badge holders

5. Failure to make reasonable adjustments for a disabled driver – Equality Act 2010

6. No evidence of the operator’s landowner authority

7. ANPR evidence does not prove any breach of a clearly-stated term and fails to take account of consideration and grace periods, especially for disabled motorists

8. No keeper liability – no valid “period of parking” (PoFA 2012 Schedule 4 paragraph 9(2)(a))

The operator is attempting to hold me liable as keeper under Schedule 4 of the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012 (“PoFA”). To do so they must comply fully with all conditions in paragraph 9(2).

Paragraph 9(2)(a) requires the Notice to Keeper (“NtK”) to:

“specify the vehicle, the relevant land on which it was parked and the period of parking to which the notice relates”.

The Initial Parking NtK does not specify any period of parking. It merely states:

– a “Date of Parking Event: 17/11/2025”
– an “Arrival Time: 17/11/2025 at 13:25:38”
– an “Exit Time: 17/11/2025 at 13:38:19”
– and then labels “Period of Parking: 00h:12m:41s”

These times come solely from ANPR images showing the vehicle passing cameras upon entry and exit. They show nothing more than the total time the vehicle was somewhere within range of the cameras. They do not and cannot show when or for how long the vehicle was actually parked in a bay as opposed to:

• driving in and finding a space
• manoeuvring
• assisting a disabled passenger to alight or board
• reading any signs
• queuing at or walking to a payment machine
• driving out of the car park

The law uses the phrase “period of parking”, not “time on site”. ANPR entry and exit timestamps do not automatically equate to a statutory “period of parking”. The NtK fails to specify any actual span of time during which the vehicle was stationary and parked. It follows that paragraph 9(2)(a) has not been complied with.

Because the NtK does not satisfy paragraph 9(2)(a), keeper liability does not arise. Only the unknown driver could ever be liable. As the operator has not identified the driver and I, as keeper, have chosen not to name them, POPLA must find that I cannot be held liable.

2. Further PoFA non-compliance – paragraph 9(2)(d)

Paragraph 9(2)(d) requires a Notice to Keeper to:

“describe the parking charges due from the driver as at the end of that period [of parking], the circumstances in which the requirement to pay them arose (including the means by which the requirement was brought to the attention of drivers) and the other facts that made them payable”.

The NtK states only that:

– the “Parking Charge Amount Due” is £100 (£60 if paid within 14 days); and
– “By not purchasing the appropriate parking time or by remaining at the car park for longer than permitted, in accordance with the terms and conditions set out in the signage displayed on site, the Parking Charge is now payable to Initial Parking, as the Creditor.”

This does not describe any “parking charges due from the driver as at the end of that period”. There is no description of:

– what, if any, tariff applied at this location;
– the cost of parking for the relevant duration; or
– any unpaid tariff or other “parking charge” due from the driver.

Instead, the NtK jumps straight to the £100 contractual charge allegedly payable on breach. PoFA makes a clear distinction between “parking charges” (the underlying tariff) and the “sum … specified in the notice” claimed from the keeper. By failing to describe the actual parking charges due at the end of the parking period, the NtK does not meet paragraph 9(2)(d).

Again, where an operator seeks to rely on PoFA, they must comply fully with all of paragraph 9(2). They have not done so. Keeper liability does not apply and the appeal must be allowed on this ground alone.

3. Failure to comply with PPSCoP Section 4.1 – no terms and conditions visible from within the vehicle in the disabled bay

The Private Parking Single Code of Practice (PPSCoP) is binding on BPA members and sets out mandatory requirements. Section 4.1 states:

“The parking operator must ensure that at least one sign containing the terms and conditions for parking can be viewed without the driver needing to leave the vehicle, in order for drivers with a disability to be able to make an informed decision on whether to park at the premises.”

In this case:

– the driver is disabled and a Blue Badge holder;
– the vehicle was parked in a disabled bay; and
– there was no sign containing the full terms and conditions visible from inside the vehicle in that bay.

The driver saw a sign relating to the disabled bay and a Blue Badge symbol and understood this to indicate that Blue Badge holders could use that bay. However, there was no large, legible sign facing the bay, at eye level, setting out the full parking terms, including any requirement for Blue Badge holders to pay a tariff and any risk of a £100 charge.

Any tariff and penalty terms that the operator relies on appear to be buried on separate general tariff signs elsewhere in the car park. Those signs:

– could not be read from inside the disabled bay; and
– would have required the disabled driver to exit the vehicle, move around the site and search for the small print.

That is the exact scenario PPSCoP 4.1 is designed to prevent. Initial Parking have failed to provide a single sign with the relevant terms which can be read from within the vehicle by a disabled driver considering whether to park. As a result, a Blue Badge holder was not able to make an informed decision before parking, and any alleged contract is fundamentally flawed.

A £100 charge arising from a set of terms that were not presented in compliance with PPSCoP 4.1 should not be enforced, and this appeal should be allowed on this ground.

4. Inadequate and unclear signage, especially in relation to disabled bays

Separately from PPSCoP 4.1, the signage at this site is generally inadequate and unclear.

The driver reports that this is a small car park and that no clear or legible signage was visible prior to entering. Upon parking, the driver saw signage relating to the disabled bay and reasonably believed that a Blue Badge holder could park there. There was nothing obvious to indicate that Blue Badge holders were required to pay the normal tariff or that a £100 charge would be issued after a stay of around 12 minutes without payment.

Initial Parking’s rejection letter refers to their “very large, BPA approved signs” and claims that they state “These tariffs do apply to Blue Badge holders”. If this wording exists, it appears to be buried in the main body of a general tariff sign, not on a dedicated disabled-bay sign. If a Blue Badge holder must pay to avoid a £100 charge, that is a core term which must be displayed prominently and unambiguously at or next to the disabled bay.

I put Initial Parking to strict proof, by way of dated, contemporaneous photographs and a site plan, that:

– a compliant entrance sign was present and clearly visible to a driver entering the car park;
– there was a clear, prominent sign adjacent to or immediately facing the disabled bay explaining that tariffs apply to Blue Badge holders and that failure to pay would result in a £100 charge; and
– the text on such signs was of sufficient size and contrast to be read by a disabled driver or passenger without needing to search for small print across the site.

In the absence of such evidence, POPLA should conclude that the alleged contractual terms were not adequately communicated and cannot be enforced.

5. Failure to make reasonable adjustments – Equality Act 2010

The driver is a disabled person and holds a Blue Badge. The badge is issued only to those whose mobility and daily activities are substantially and long-term impaired. The Equality Act 2010 requires service providers, including car park operators, to make reasonable adjustments so that disabled people are not placed at a substantial disadvantage compared with non-disabled people.

Reasonable adjustments in a car park context include:

– clearer and more prominent signage at disabled bays in larger, more legible text;
– ensuring that key terms (such as whether Blue Badge holders must pay and any risk of a large charge) are made immediately obvious to disabled drivers;
– allowing longer consideration and payment times to account for slower mobility, use of walking aids, or difficulty reading signs and using machines or apps.

In this case, Initial Parking appears to have a blanket policy that “These tariffs do apply to Blue Badge holders” but has failed to communicate this clearly at the point of parking in the disabled bay. A disabled driver who parks for about 12 minutes in a disabled bay, believing in good faith that a Blue Badge entitles them to park, should not be penalised with a £100 charge where the operator has not provided clear, accessible information or reasonable adjustments.

Although POPLA cannot make a binding finding of discrimination, it can and should recognise that a charge which would be contrary to the Equality Act is not “fair” or “reasonable” and should not be upheld.

6. No evidence of landowner authority

Initial Parking is put to strict proof that it has a fully executed, contemporaneous contract with the landowner (Y Ganolfan Community Centre or its lawful managing agent) granting it authority to:

– manage parking on the land;
– issue Parking Charge Notices; and
– pursue payment and legal action in its own name.

A generic, redacted contract or a short witness statement will not be sufficient. POPLA and the courts require evidence that the operator has standing to offer parking contracts and recover charges for the specific site and period in question.

In the absence of such evidence, the operator has no standing to enforce charges and the appeal must be allowed.

7. ANPR evidence, consideration and grace periods

The operator relies solely on ANPR entry and exit times to assert a contravention. Even if the NtK were otherwise PoFA-compliant (which is denied), the ANPR evidence does not establish:

– when the vehicle was actually parked in a bay;
– how long it remained stationary;
– what the driver was doing (reading signs, assisting a disabled passenger, deciding whether to stay, or choosing to leave); or
– that any applicable consideration or grace periods were exceeded.

The total time between ANPR images is only 12 minutes 41 seconds. For a disabled Blue Badge holder, that period could easily be taken up by:

– entering and finding an appropriate disabled bay;
– assisting the disabled driver or passenger to alight;
– attempting to read any signs that might apply to the bay; and
– deciding to leave once the situation is unclear.

The PPSCoP requires operators to allow a consideration period at the start and a grace period at the end of parking. Disabled motorists may reasonably require longer periods to perform the same tasks as non-disabled motorists. Initial Parking has produced no evidence of the actual time spent parked, nor that any fair and reasonable observation, consideration and grace periods were exceeded.

On the balance of probabilities, a total “time on site” of around 12 minutes for a disabled Blue Badge holder is consistent with genuine attempts to understand unclear signage and then leave, rather than any deliberate attempt to avoid payment.

Conclusion

For the reasons set out above:

– the operator has failed to comply with the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012 Schedule 4, so keeper liability does not arise;
– the operator has failed to comply with PPSCoP Section 4.1, because no sign containing the terms and conditions was visible from within the vehicle in the disabled bay;
– the signage, particularly in relation to disabled bays and Blue Badge holders, was inadequate and unclear;
– the operator has not demonstrated any reasonable adjustments as required by the Equality Act 2010;
– no evidence has been provided of sufficient landowner authority; and
– the ANPR evidence does not show any breach of a clearly-communicated term, particularly once consideration and grace periods for a disabled motorist are taken into account.

I respectfully request that POPLA uphold this appeal and direct Initial Parking Ltd to cancel this Parking Charge Notice.

Thank you for this - I have submitted this to POPla - let`s see what they come up with.

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Below is what they replied with. I have edited the details.





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No, it’s not the same – and it’s still a valid PoFA point.

What they’ve put there is just ANPR “time on site” (i.e. the difference between the camera’s entry and exit timestamps), then relabelled as “period of parking”. ANPR only records when a vehicle passes the cameras, not when it is actually stationary in a bay. The Protection of Freedoms Act talks about a “period of parking”, which by definition excludes the time spent:

• driving in and finding a space
• reading any signs / deciding whether to stay
• queuing or manoeuvring to leave

So, from a strict PoFA Schedule 4 point of view, they have still only evidenced and described entry/exit and a derived duration, not a true “period of parking” as required.

Some POPLA assessors gloss over that and accept this wording, others don’t – but it is absolutely still worth running as a keeper-liability point and there is no need to change the appeal wording I suggested.

This is interesting - Thank you for the pointers.

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The Notice to Keeper (NtK) only shows entry/exit, not period of parking. SO you can argue no Keeper liability.

There are several other points that can be argued but I'm not wasting time on an initial appeal that will be rejected anyway, no matter what. You can argue a load of points later with POPLA. For now, simply appeal with the following, ONLY as the Keeper. Do not identify the driver:

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I am the registered keeper and I dispute your parking charge.

Your Notice to Keeper fails to comply with Schedule 4 of the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012 because it does not specify a period of parking and does not properly describe the terms allegedly breached. You therefore cannot transfer liability from the unknown driver to the keeper.

Further, the driver is disabled and a Blue Badge holder. Your unclear signage regarding disabled bays and any payment requirements, together with the very short stay of around 12 minutes, amounts to a failure to make reasonable adjustments under the Equality Act 2010.

Please cancel this charge or issue a POPLA verification code. I do not consent to my personal data being used for any purpose other than considering this appeal.

Come back when that is rejected.
Is the period of Parking which is stated at the top right corner not the same?

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In the intervening time, if you're able to acquire photos of the signage (and any lack thereof!) this would be useful.

I haven`t been able to obtain the signage but have sent the centre an email. hopefully they can send this over.


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Hi All,

Received a PCN through the post stating the driver did not pay and the duration was around 12 mins on 17/11

It was a small car park, the driver did not see any signage prior to entering the car park.
The driver saw a signage for disable badge user and assumed it was free for disable badge users who parks in the bay. Unfortunately the drivers dashcam didn`t capture this footage and the driver isn`t able to go back to this location as it is in North Wales.

On 26th November, registered keeper received a NTK which states the date of sending is 20th November 2025.









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As long as the driver has not been identified, they cannot hold the Hirer liable. They have no idea who the driver is unless the Hirer blabs it to them, inadvertently or otherwise.

Did you appeal? If you did, did you identify the driver by saying things like "I did this or that" instead of "the driver did this or that"?

Besides the fact they the Notice to Hirer (NtH) is not PoFA compliant with paras 13/14, the location is not relevant land as it is covered buy statutory byelaws. As long as the driver has not been identified, this will go nowhere.

As already mentioned above, because ParkingEye are using DSCB Legal, they know they don't have a chance if this ever went in front of a judge. If DCB Legal do issue the claim, you will defend using the template defence we provide and I can guarantee that it will eventually be discontinued. They only go this far because they hope you are low-hanging fruit on the gullible tree and can be intimidated into paying out of ignorance and fear.

Having been on this website and on pepipoo before, I know that i should never identify the driver for a private parking ticket :)

I`ll just wait for their letter then. Thanks

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The usual: what other documents came with the Notice to Hirer?

None, I’m sure, so Parking Eye has not complied with PoFA 2012 to be able to hold you, the hirer, liable in place of the unknown driver. So if the identity of the driver has not been revealed, they can’t come after you instead.

It sounds like no formal appeal to Parking Eye was made.

Who is the notice of intended legal action from? If it’s just a debt collector, ignore and wait for a Letter of Claim.

The incorrect name is irrelevant. You can correct it when you reply to the Letter of Claim in due course.

PoFA requires
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(2)The conditions are that—

(a)the creditor has within the relevant period given the hirer a notice in accordance with sub-paragraph (5) (a “notice to hirer”), together with a copy of the documents mentioned in paragraph 13(2) and the notice to keeper;
and the required extra documents are
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(a)a statement signed by or on behalf of the vehicle-hire firm to the effect that at the material time the vehicle was hired to a named person under a hire agreement;

(b)a copy of the hire agreement; and

(c)a copy of a statement of liability signed by the hirer under that hire agreement.

You are right - none of these were provided. No formal appeal to Parking eye were made.
Can`t i contact DCBL to ask them to send the letter of claim? I think they are sending a letter every 2 weeks and i`d rather get this done with.

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This is the parking information displayed


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Hi Folks,

The driver parked at the London Aquatics Centre - the driver would display their blue badge and enter the registration of the vehicle on a website.
This is what it states on a notice in front of the disabled bays - The caveat here is that there`s 1 parking notice with 2 different ways of registering your vehicle,

1 states that the driver must bring their blue badge to reception and enter their vehicle details.
2 - states driver displays blue badge and enter registration on the website.

It seems that the system at the time wasn`t working ( With the regular car it has never been an issue )

The hirer did contact the centre at the time - June 2025 - to point the discrepancy and ask the manager to contact Parking eye to cancel the ticket but the manager was uncooperative.

The hirer forgot about this and has since been receiving letters for 2 separate offences - 1 is Final notice of debt recovery and 2nd is Notice of intended Legal Action

The car was a replacement car from the dealership (hence the term hirer) and on both notices the hirers first name is not written correctly (maybe the dealership didn`t provide the correct name or the parking company didn`t register the correct name on their system)

Let`s use Jonathan as an example - below is the discrepancy
Letter 1 - Jonthan
Letter 2 - Jonathn

How concerned should the hirer be? should the hirer just wait for court paper? what about the incorrect first name?

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Why on earth would you phone and try to reason with a shady, unregulated private parking company. I'm sure their customer service team—likely one bloke in a shed with a headset—will be thrilled to help. That’s if you even get through, of course. More likely, you’ll be treated to an eternal hold loop or a conversation with someone whose grasp of logic rivals that of a trifle.

Honestly, expecting a fair outcome from them is like writing a heartfelt letter to a snail and waiting for a reply. Save yourself the headache—literally—and just wait for the Letter of Claim. At least then you’re dealing with a process that vaguely resembles something legal.

I sent an email to their complaints department to say that they never replied to me nor did they acknowledge my appeal. I received a reply from them yesterday to say that they have cancelled the PCN. Upon checking email history I can see that I have used the appeal drafted that would have been sent to the IAS. Thank you for your help

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