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Just a quick update to confirm the appeal was sent to Britannia Parking, via their own system, and an email was received confirming this.

Nothing more to do now until the rejection letter arrives.

Thanks for all the advice, Merry Xmas and happy new year to all.

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OK, I will remove the extra paragraph and send as was. I will update here with the inevitable rejection letter, when received.

Many thanks for all the advice, information and time put into assisting me, it is very much appreciated.

Cheers

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Thank you for the extra information.

Here is the appeal I shall be sending to Britannia:



"I am the keeper of the vehicle and I dispute your 'parking charge'. I deny any liability or contractual agreement and I will be making a complaint about your predatory conduct to your client landowner.

As your Notice to Keeper (NtK) does not fully comply with ALL the requirements of PoFA 2012, you are unable to hold the keeper of the vehicle liable for the charge. Partial or even substantial compliance is not sufficient. There will be no admission as to who was driving and no inference or assumptions can be drawn. Britannia has relied on contract law allegations of breach against the driver only.

The registered keeper cannot be presumed or inferred to have been the driver, nor pursued under some twisted interpretation of the law of agency. Your NtK can only hold the driver liable.

I would also add that you have breached your own code of practice, the PPSCoP, in that Under Annex F - Apeals charter, (F.3.g) it stipulates that under the circumstances you cite for raising the 'parking charge', you MUST discount the charge to £20. You did not do that.

Britannia have no hope at POPLA, so you are urged to save us both a complete waste of time and cancel the PCN."

I have copied it from others on here so I hope it meets the requirements. ant comments would be appreciated before I submit it

Many thanks

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Many thanks for you advice re: creditor
I will add this to my appeal and post here later.

Thank you

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Thank you for the information and advice. I believe these might be ground s to appeal/refuse to name the driver

1. NTK not compliant with PoF


PoF Sch 4

para 4(1)The creditor has the right to recover any unpaid parking charges from the keeper of the vehicle.

(2)The right under this paragraph applies only if—

(a)the conditions specified in paragraphs 5, 6, 11 and 12 (so far as applicable) are met; and

(b)the vehicle was not a stolen vehicle at the beginning of the period of parking to which the unpaid parking charges relate. 


para 6 (1)The second condition is that the creditor (or a person acting for or on behalf of the creditor)—

(a)has given a notice to driver in accordance with paragraph 7, followed by a notice to keeper in accordance with paragraph 8; or

(b)has given a notice to keeper in accordance with paragraph 9.


para 9(1)A notice which is to be relied on as a notice to keeper for the purposes of paragraph 6(1)(b) is given in accordance with this paragraph if the following requirements are met.

(2)The notice must—

(a)specify the vehicle, the relevant land on which it was parked and the period of parking to which the notice relates;

(b)inform the keeper that the driver is required to pay parking charges in respect of the specified period of parking and that the parking charges have not been paid in full;

(c)describe the parking charges due from the driver as at the end of that period, the circumstances in which the requirement to pay them arose (including the means by which the requirement was brought to the attention of drivers) and the other facts that made them payable;

(d)specify the total amount of those parking charges that are unpaid, as at a time which is—

(i)specified in the notice; and

(ii)no later than the end of the day before the day on which the notice is either sent by post or, as the case may be, handed to or left at a current address for service for the keeper (see sub-paragraph (4));

(e)state that the creditor does not know both the name of the driver and a current address for service for the driver and invite the keeper—

(i)to pay the unpaid parking charges; or

(ii)if the keeper was not the driver of the vehicle, to notify the creditor of the name of the driver and a current address for service for the driver and to pass the notice on to the driver;


The NTK does not state that the creditor does not know the name of the driver or service address. Therefore it does not meet the requirements of para 9, para 6 and thus para 4 to transfer liability to the keeper.


2. The creditor has not complied with the PPSCoP

Annex F
Page 43 of 57
THE SINGLE CODE OF PRACTICE
Introduction
F.1 Exempt circumstances
Parking operators should take all reasonable steps to avoid issuing a notice to exempt
classes of vehicle (listed below) by scrutinising images and weighing the balance of doubt.
The Appeals Charter is a statement of the way certain grounds of appeal based on an
error or mitigating circumstances will be handled by the parking operator. There are 2
scenarios considered within the Appeals Charter:

1.Where the parking charge should be cancelled.
2.Where the parking charge should be reduced to £20 for a period of 14 days.

F.3 Appeals where the charge should be reduced to £20 for a period of
14 days
In considering appeals parking operators must recognise the below case types as
mitigating circumstances warranting a reduction in the amount of the parking charge to
£20 for 14 days
, subject to appropriate evidence being provided. This reduction applies
only for the first parking charge issued to the vehicle for the specific contravention, where
payment is made within 14 days and where no independent appeal is lodged.

g) where the vehicle would have been permitted to park at the location, but the driver failed
to enter their registration into a terminal/device as specified in the terms & conditions.


The NTK keeper states: "We are writng to inform you that a parking charge has been issued to the above vehicle for the following breach of he terms and conditions: Parked without registering vehicle at the bar or reception". NTK states discount to be £60, despite confirming the breach met the requirements for a discount to £20.


Further, PPSCoP  Scope "Parking operators who comply with the Code will be entitled to request registered keeper
data from the DVLA, for the purpose of contacting the registered keeper of vehicles in
relation to the alleged incident. DVLA considers the release of data under Regulation 27 of
the Road Vehicles (Registration and Licensing) Regulation 2002."  As the operator did not comply with the code, they were not entitled to request registered keeper data from DVLA.

Any advice on whether these make sense would be greatly appreciated.

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2 good points, I didn't spot them.

looking again, the car park sign makes no sense, as a vehicle cannot be issued with PCN, nor can a vehicle register at the bar!

thank you for the reply

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Advice/help requested for  NTK recieved for parking in carpark but not entering Reg in pub. Driver entered and parked, and was in the pub, meeting friends. Driver does not remember entering the car reg. I, as the regigistered keeper, received the NTK via post on the 15/12/2025. I have not responded yet. Date and times appear correct.


Is NTK compliant with PoF? I am trying to work this out but any help would be greatly appreciated. If it is, what would be my next move.

NTK and images plus Google maps link below

https://ibb.co/hFMZP1CV
https://ibb.co/x8dXVCk1
https://ibb.co/4n45QNxX
https://ibb.co/G4tYwmWL
https://ibb.co/JFyCSxbF
https://ibb.co/5fxxqPV
https://ibb.co/XxKMvWfd
https://ibb.co/MD0bdMx7
https://ibb.co/chhQdLmf
https://ibb.co/Kj9H7PPX
https://ibb.co/wZYGD9zW
https://ibb.co/5gvxCrFK
https://ibb.co/XfX64hZY


https://www.google.com/maps/@53.7499385,-2.7300376,3a,75y,205.48h,96.08t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sXwwhmhJrO85f-WtZwEFW0A!2e0!6shttps:%2F%2Fstreetviewpixels-pa.googleapis.com%2Fv1%2Fthumbnail%3Fcb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile%26w%3D900%26h%3D600%26pitch%3D-6.077004539976144%26panoid%3DXwwhmhJrO85f-WtZwEFW0A%26yaw%3D205.4802457275231!7i16384!8i8192?entry=ttu&g_ep=EgoyMDI1MTIwOS4wIKXMDSoASAFQAw%3D%3D

Many thanks

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