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Civil penalty charge notices (Councils, TFL and so on) / Re: London Borough of Redbridge. PCN entering pedestrian zone. Sydney Road. Barkingside.
« on: December 16, 2025, 06:01:37 pm »
Quote from: Hippocrates on December 16, 2025, 05:45:18 pm
Their response is wrong.
Hi Hippocrates. Would you be able to act as my authorised representative?
Grounds of appeal? etc
Thanks.

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Civil penalty charge notices (Councils, TFL and so on) / Re: London Borough of Redbridge. PCN entering pedestrian zone. Sydney Road. Barkingside.
« on: December 16, 2025, 01:50:23 pm »
Further images...
https://imgpile.com/p/8jvGiRI
https://imgpile.com/p/UpMKPxd

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Civil penalty charge notices (Councils, TFL and so on) / Re: London Borough of Redbridge. PCN entering pedestrian zone. Sydney Road. Barkingside.
« on: December 16, 2025, 01:40:08 pm »
Quote from: Hippocrates on November 27, 2025, 04:05:32 pm
So do I.
Hi. Today I got a Notice of Rejection of Representation related to my entering a 'school street' as noted in this thread. I've included the response and Notice of Appeal form below. Are you able to assist me with this? If so how should I respond? Thank you in advance.

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Civil penalty charge notices (Councils, TFL and so on) / Re: Lon. Bor.Havering PCN for Non display blue badge. Appealed now received Charge certificate .
« on: December 05, 2025, 09:35:45 pm »
Quote from: H C Andersen on December 05, 2025, 07:52:36 pm
How should I best proceed?

Wait.

See Charge Certificate and Order for Recovery: https://www.londontribunals.gov.uk/eat/understanding-enforcement-process/parking-penalty-charge-notice-enforcement-process

There's nothing unique or pressing about your situation.

Please read the above and come back with any questions.
Ok. Ive read through that. Thanks.

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Civil penalty charge notices (Councils, TFL and so on) / Lon. Bor.Havering PCN for Non display blue badge. Appealed now received Charge certificate .
« on: December 05, 2025, 07:09:34 pm »
Hi. I received a PCN on car windscreen back in June for non display of blue badge in a disabled bay in car park.

I appealed this online on grounds that badge was on dash obscured by time clock card placed in error on top of blue badge.
I laid out the extenuating circumstances...91 yr old mother law mistakenly placed the clock over her badge etc etc and provided time stamped photos to verify badge was in car on the afternoon in question etc.

Appeal was rejected by email on July 31st. I waited as advised until notice to owner was received in post on 29th August and made further representations with signed statement from mother in law etc. This I did online within the 28 days on 22nd September and I received email acknowledgement of my submission on the same date (22/09/25). (Screen capture of same included below)

Today I received a charge certificate for non reply to previous communications and/or non payment of PCN. The demand is now for £210. (Images of all correspondence and original PCN below.)

This can't be correct as I have received no further notification from LBH since September 22.
How should I best proceed?

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Civil penalty charge notices (Councils, TFL and so on) / Re: London Borough of Redbridge. PCN entering pedestrian zone. Sydney Road. Barkingside.
« on: November 27, 2025, 02:08:19 pm »
Representations made online today. As suggested, I used Hippocrates 'missing information' argument. I await the inevetible rejection by Rebridge.

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Civil penalty charge notices (Councils, TFL and so on) / Re: London Borough of Redbridge. PCN entering pedestrian zone. Sydney Road. Barkingside.
« on: November 21, 2025, 10:09:29 pm »
Quote from: Hippocrates on November 21, 2025, 09:24:28 pm
Yes to both. Always personal.

Cheers.

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Civil penalty charge notices (Councils, TFL and so on) / Re: London Borough of Redbridge. PCN entering pedestrian zone. Sydney Road. Barkingside.
« on: November 21, 2025, 06:36:58 pm »
Quote from: Hippocrates on November 21, 2025, 01:25:14 pm
I acted in both cases.
I thought that it might be yourself. I am inclined to appeal but I'm wondering about 2 things.
1. For the initial LBof Redbridge appeal do I simply lift the argument you made on the link regards missing information/conjunctive/ subjunctive etc?
2. Assuming Redbridge reject it would you be willing to help me with the tribunal itself... where I'm assuming a personally delivered argument would likely get more traction than a written one? Or do you think it makes no difference?
Thanks for the links provided on here they have been very enlightening.


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Civil penalty charge notices (Councils, TFL and so on) / Re: London Borough of Redbridge. PCN entering pedestrian zone. Sydney Road. Barkingside.
« on: November 20, 2025, 12:16:05 pm »
Quote from: Hippocrates on November 16, 2025, 05:28:15 pm
I will draft later.
Hi.Ive read a bit more around here with particular emphasis on the argument made by Hippocrates on the PCN 'missing information' grounds for appeal.
I'll admit to finding it all a bit heavy going but I have found two separate and recent tribunal decisions where PCNs were cancelled seemingly on these grounds,(missing or  confusing information on PCN). I'll include links to those 2 tribunal judgements below.

The confusion is that whilst both appeals were successful the reasons given by each tribunal were quite different!

I will obviously have to decide in next couple of days (within the 14 day period as per PCN) whether to pay the reduced charge or appeal but will beed some help in drafting the appeal to the L.B.of Redbridge in the first instance and then assuming rejection, to the tribunal.
Do I simply lift the argument from the link you have provided?

Any help is much appreciated.

https://acrobat.adobe.com/id/urn:aaid:sc:EU:e299d7d0-35f3-4a1d-b783-7238669b8650

https://acrobat.adobe.com/id/urn:aaid:sc:EU:53a5414a-ac41-4a6d-9662-3fae3f439946

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Civil penalty charge notices (Councils, TFL and so on) / Re: London Borough of Redbridge. PCN entering pedestrian zone. Sydney Road. Barkingside.
« on: November 16, 2025, 03:45:50 pm »
Quote from: Hippocrates on November 15, 2025, 08:02:07 pm
I see they have changed the blue plate.  However, look at the first link in my profile as I say that the PCN is invalid due to missing information.
Thanks for the response. I will read your link a second time but have to admit my own knowledge of English grammar isn't up to scratch! I think you're basically suggesting their own text is confusing or contradictory? For clarity I'm just including here the reverse side of the PCN I didn't post earlier along with the photos and video that LBof Redbridge have on their record of the incident. Is there any precedent (has it been tested?) for this particular defence?

https://imgpile.com/p/WlgnK3c

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Civil penalty charge notices (Councils, TFL and so on) / Re: London Borough of Redbridge. PCN entering pedestrian zone. Sydney Road. Barkingside.
« on: November 16, 2025, 10:54:39 am »
Quote from: Incandescent on November 15, 2025, 07:38:07 pm
The absolutely absurd height of these signs must surely make them questionable, but the only way you'll find out is to take them to London Tribunals, pint out they are way outside a motorists normal view. Councils really shouldn't be allowed to get away with stuff like this, but they do, because most people just cough-up to get the discount.

I believe there are recommendations on sign height in the manual for road signs, but it's an awfully big document to trawl through.
https://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2016/362/schedule/9/made

I had a quick look and like you say its a big document! I will try and nail down the pertinent information later on today when I have a bit more time. Thanks

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Civil penalty charge notices (Councils, TFL and so on) / London Borough of Redbridge. PCN entering pedestrian zone. Sydney Road. Barkingside.
« on: November 15, 2025, 06:09:51 pm »
Just today I received a PCN in post for entering a pedestrian zone in Sydney Road Barkingside. Completely flummoxed me as the signage is quite high up and I had been parked right alongside the said road and the signs and was more focused on the heavy traffic and pedestrians crossing etc when I turned into Sydney Rd from the High St🤦🏻

I've read a post on here on same issue and location, that was successfully appealed by poster shah123. Other appeals have been successful apparently too. shah123 appeal was a success noted only last week on here. But it seemed to hinge on the signage.
It looks like the blue sign that was visible when shah123 received his PCN back in Feb has been altered. It previously read: 'School Streets Restricted Access Term Time Only'...Sign now reads a truncated version: 'School Streets Restricted Access'. I'm presuming LB Redbridge have made the alteration in the light of the above noted successful appeals.
So I wonder if there is any longer a realistic chance of getting this overturned? Thankyou.

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Civil penalty charge notices (Councils, TFL and so on) / Re: London Borough of Redbridge - 53j - Failing to comply with a restriction - School Streets - Sydney Road, Barkingside
« on: November 15, 2025, 05:25:25 pm »
Same here. Just today got PCN in post for entering a pedestrian zone in Sydney Road Barkingside. Completely flummoxed me as the signage is quite high up and I had been parked right alongside the said road and signs and was more focused on the heavy traffic and pedestrians crossing etc 🤦🏻
It looks like the blue sign that was visible when Shah123 received his PCN back in Feb has been altered. It previously read: 'School Streets Restricted Access Term Time Only'...Sign now reads a truncated version: 'School Streets Restricted Access'. I'm presuming LB Redbridge have made the alteration in the light of the above noted successful appeals.
So I wonder if there is any longer a realistic chance of getting this overturned?

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