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What kind of lease do you have? With who is your lease? The landowner, landlord, or their agent?

A third-party operator can’t impose terms that derogate from granted rights. If the tenancy (or the landlord’s headlease, through which your tenancy derives) grants a right to park in a specific bay, the permit is identification only; failure to display shouldn’t create a debt.

What the lease/tenancy doesn’t say can matter. Silence can favour you if the right to park is part of the demise/context (e.g. the flat was let “with space 12” from day one).

The lease is with the landlord's agent.

We've also reached out to building management, who've said they will look into these PCNs for us and that there have been situations like this before with other residents - I will post updates for this as well.

What I have also done is submit a complaint to BW Legal regarding these PCNs saying that I have never received any communication about these alleged offences previously and have never seen the PCNs they're threatening legal action over and therefore, I refuse to engage unless I can see proof of previous communication and the alleged PCN. I have submitted this in writing and have received an automated response confirming that these are now on indefinite hold while they respond to this.

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I didn’t ask what the lease says about “the car park”. What EXACTLY does the lease say about parking? What it doesn’t say about parking is equally important. Just because you have a badge isued by the management company does not mean that a third party firm can contract you to pay them just because they were allowed to put up some signs.

Your lease has supremacy of contract, which is why I keep asking you about it. You can either try to overthink this with your misguided conception of what you rights are or aren’t or you can give me the information requested so that I can tell you what rights you have and why you have most likely been stitch3d up by both the management company and the unregulated private parking firm.

In the vast majority of these cases, neither of those parties has any right to override your lease rights to quiet enjoyment of your demised parking rights.

I won’t go on about it any more until you tell or shows us exactly what your lease or tenancy agreement says specifically about parking.

But that's quite literally what I'm saying, the lease does not mention anything about parking or the car park, or anything along those lines at all. The rent contract is for the flat only. We were just handed a UKCPM badge when the contract began and given an allocated parking space by the building manager, which is where we have parked ever since moving in a year and a half ago.

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SNAFUing this up! DO NOT conduct ANY communication by phone. Anything agreed or denied on the phone is not worth the paper it isn't written on!!!!! They are relying on you being low-hanging fruit on the gullible tree who is likely to pay up out of ignorance and fear!

Are you the lease/tenancy holder? If so, what EXACTLY does the lease say about parking? What it doesn't say about parking is equally important. For example, does the lease say anything about requiring a permit to park in your assigned space or car park?

What on earth do you mean by "other registered driver"? Where is this "register of drivers"? There is only a Registered Keeper and the only way anyone would know who the drover was on any one occasion is the driver themself or the Keeper. The Keeper is under no legal obligation to identify the driver to an unregulated private parking firm. So please try to understand the terminology.

There is the vehicle. The vehicle is registered (only for tax purposes) to either an individual or a company. There can be any number of drivers that can drive a vehicle. They do not have to be related to the vehicle or the Keeper in any way. For example, my own car insurance also insures me with third party cover to drive any other vehicle with the owners permission. If there a millions of people who have that type of insurance, then there could be millions of possible drivers for any particular vehicle.

All you need to know is that only the driver can be liable for the PCN, assuming it is a valid one, unless the PCN is fully compliant with ALL the requirements PoFA 2012, in which case, they could transfer liability from the driver, if unidentified, to the keeper.

Right now, you have received two Letters of Claim (LoC), One is for two PCNs and the other is for a single PCN. Are these for the same vehicle at the same location, just different dates? You are not obliged to respond to an LoC but it ay be useful, as they will be required to show what evidence they rely on to prove their allegation that the driver breached a contract with them.

Before you respond to any LoC, show us or at least tell us EXACTLY what the lease says about parking. We can then advise on how to move forwards.

The LOCs are for 4 different dates at the same location and the same vehicle. A badge for the car park is displayed at all times on the windshield.

The lease, surprisingly, says nothing about the car park, but one would assume the badge would suffice, as this was provided by the building manager. We have emailed the building manager on this and about these PCNs and hopefully they can help too - although they are yet to reply...

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Good evening,

I have received 3 letters (Letter of Claim) regarding 4 PCN charges regarding alleged contraventions at a UK Car Park Management residential parking area. These offences allegedly occurred between September-December 2024. I had never received any PCNs in the post, on my windshield, or any other method, nor had I had any communication from UK CPM or BW Legal prior to receiving these Letters of Claim through my post (I have attached one of them below, all 3 are worded exactly the same).

https://ibb.co/PZFP870d

I called them up to enquire about these and asked for 1) proof of their attempts to contact me previously about these outstanding charges and 2) the actual PCN as I had no prior knowledge of these PCNs. BW Legal advised me that these cases would be placed on indefinite hold while they place the request for the above with UK CPM.

It is worth nothing that while I am the registered keeper of the car, the car is kept at the address of the only other registered driver on this car. It is parked in an allocated space in an underground car park, and a UK CPM badge is displayed on the windshield at all times.

Today I have received this (below) through my post, regarding the second of 3 Letters of Claim I had received previously. This is despite me having been told that the case is on indefinite hold after I demanded proof as detailed above. Again, I have still not seen a PCN for this, or any other, Letter of Claim or received any proof that previous contact had been made with me closer to the time. Between the dates of the alleged contraventions and today, neither the registered driver or I have changed address.

https://ibb.co/Y7mvHrQk

How can I go about dismissing these Letters of Claim immediately? At this point, they're just becoming a pain for me to deal with. Many thanks for all advice!

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