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Private parking tickets / Re: Is it worth taking my appeal to IAS
« on: November 06, 2025, 08:18:51 am »
Great! I’ll give this a try and see how it goes. Thanks for your help!

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Private parking tickets / Re: Is it worth taking my appeal to IAS
« on: November 05, 2025, 06:28:56 pm »
Apologies, I had read mixed advice on sharing dates in different forums, some here and some on MSE and such, so excluded just in case.

I can confirm the occurrence happened 20/09/2025 at 22:23. The letter was dated 22nd September but I didn’t actually receive it until the 30th.

I’ve got the reverse of the letter as well as per advice to share all pages of the letter.

https://ibb.co/356v18cB

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Private parking tickets / Re: Is it worth taking my appeal to IAS
« on: November 05, 2025, 03:48:41 pm »
https://ibb.co/tMFQr78K

Please find attached letter received via post, which includes the location of the occurrence. Let me know if the link doesn’t work. Tried using one of the image links found on another forum on here.

I’ve censored my personal data shown on the letter as well as the registration, dates and PCN number so they’re not readily available to the public.

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Private parking tickets / Re: Is it worth taking my appeal to IAS
« on: November 04, 2025, 08:24:31 am »
I don't understand what the "council" has to do with this? This is a PCN from an unregulated private parking firm. It I not and never was a "fine". It is simply a speculative invoice for an alleged breach of contract by the driver,

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“I was visiting residents who lived in the area and advised me to park in the visitors bay, which I have done.

And here is the inadvertent blabbing of the drivers identity.

They live on a council estate, so from my understanding of talking to them, any issues/enquiries they have, including parking & permits they go through the council. The council then contact companies and such on the resident’s behalf.

Right ok, so if the driver has been identified, what changes can I make to the appeal if I do take it forward?

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Private parking tickets / Re: Is it worth taking my appeal to IAS
« on: November 03, 2025, 10:10:25 pm »
What EXACTLY did you submit as your appeal? Have you blabbed the identity of the driver? Is your friend a resident at the location? If os, why exactly does their lease/tenancy agreement say about parking at the location. What id doesn't mention about parking is equally important. For example, is there any mention on the lease about a requirement to display a permit etc?

Whilst the IAS is a kangaroo court, you may as well appeal, even if only to frustrate the scammers and be satisfied in the knowledge that it will cost them to respond to your appeal unless they concede. An unsuccessful appeal is not binding on you and you DO NOT pay.

Appeal with the following:

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I am the registered keeper of the vehicle. I deny any liability for this parking charge and appeal in full.

The parking operator bears the burden of proof. It must establish that a contravention occurred, that a valid contract was formed between the operator and the driver, and that it has lawful authority to operate and issue Parking Charge Notices (PCNs) in its own name. I therefore require the operator to provide the following:

1. Strict proof of clear, prominent, and adequate signage that was in place on the date in question, at the exact location of the alleged contravention. This must include a detailed site plan showing the placement of each sign and legible images of the signs in situ. The operator must demonstrate that signage was visible, legible, and compliant with the IPC Code of Practice that was valid at the time of the alleged contravention, including requirements relating to font size, positioning, and the communication of key terms.

2. Strict proof of a valid, contemporaneous contract or lease flowing from the landowner that authorises the operator to manage parking, issue PCNs, and pursue legal action in its own name. I refer the operator and the IAS assessor to Section 14 of the PPSCoP (Relationship with Landowner), which clearly sets out mandatory minimum requirements that must be evidenced before any parking charge may be issued on controlled land.

In particular, Section 14.1(a)–(j) requires the operator to have in place written confirmation from the landowner which includes:

• the identity of the landowner,
• a boundary map of the land to be managed,
• applicable byelaws,
• the duration and scope of authority granted,
• detailed parking terms and conditions including any specific permissions or exemptions,
• the means of issuing PCNs,
• responsibility for obtaining planning and advertising consents,
• and the operator’s obligations and appeal procedure under the Code.

These requirements are not optional. They are a condition precedent to issuing a PCN and bringing any associated action. Accordingly, I put the operator to strict proof of compliance with the entirety of Section 14 of the PPSCoP. Any document that contains redactions must not obscure the above conditions. The document must also be dated and signed by identifiable persons, with evidence of their authority to act on behalf of the parties to the agreement. The operator must provide an agreement showing clear authorisation from the landowner for this specific site.

3. Strict proof that the enforcement mechanism (e.g. ANPR or manual patrol) is reliable, synchronised, maintained, and calibrated regularly. The operator must prove the vehicle was present for the full duration alleged and not simply momentarily on site, potentially within a permitted consideration or grace period as defined by the PPSCoP.

4. Strict proof that the Notice to Keeper complies with the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012 (PoFA), if the operator is attempting to rely on keeper liability. Any failure to comply with the mandatory wording or timelines in Schedule 4 of PoFA renders keeper liability unenforceable.

5. Strict proof that the NtK was posted in time for it to have been given within the relevant period. The PPSCoP section 8.1.2(d) Note 2 requires that the operator must retain a record of the date of posting of a notice, not simply of that notice having been generated (e.g. the date that any third-party Mail Consolidator actually put it in the postal system.)

6. The IAS claims that its assessors are “qualified solicitors or barristers.” Yet there is no way to verify this. Decisions are unsigned, anonymised, and unpublished. There is no transparency, no register of assessors, and no way for a motorist to assess the legal credibility of the individual supposedly adjudicating their appeal. If the person reading this really is legally qualified, they will know that without strict proof of landowner authority (VCS v HMRC [2013] EWCA Civ 186), no claim can succeed. They will also know that clear and prominent signage is a prerequisite for contract formation (ParkingEye v Beavis [2015] UKSC 67), and that keeper liability under PoFA is only available where strict statutory conditions are met.

If the assessor chooses to overlook these legal requirements and accept vague assertions or redacted documents from the operator, that will speak for itself—and lend further weight to the growing concern that this appeals service is neither independent nor genuinely legally qualified.

In short, I dispute this charge in its entirety and require full evidence of compliance with the law, industry codes of practice, and basic contractual principles.

Thank you so much for this! I really appreciate it. I hadn’t declared who the driver was in my appeal, and I had mentioned my friend’s name and address in the appeal to show where I was visiting. Here’s what I put in my appeal, I haven’t included my friend’s name and address on here for confidentiality purposes;

“I was visiting residents who lived in the area and advised me to park in the visitors bay, which I have done. The photo evidence given on the fine shows 1 sign that's not readable in the slightest.

After receiving the fine, I contacted the residents as the fine reason given on the letter was due to no permit. They advised they were not aware that visitors required a permit to park. After contacting their local council, they were advised that the visitors permits were due to be introduced and communications were due to be sent confirming this and permits were due to follow.

With these actions still in progress, it's safe to say that these signs aren't valid and to issue these fines out to people is extremely harsh. How can we be expected to display a permit that hasn't been issued?“

I can’t confirm what’s in their lease, but when they first moved in, there were parking bays specifically for residents, which they had to purchase. The visitor bays were then put in a year or so after they moved and the restrictions seem to have just come in beginning of September at least?

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Private parking tickets / Is it worth taking my appeal to IAS
« on: November 03, 2025, 09:06:24 pm »
Hi, I’m hoping someone could give me advice on whether I should take my appeal further to Independent Appeals Service please?

A few weeks ago, I received a parking fine from UK Car Park Management with the reason of not displaying a permit. However, I was parked in a visitor’s bay, which never required a permit to mine and my friend’s knowledge who lives in the area. The evidence they gave in the fine was a bunch of pictures of my car in the visitor’s bay and 1 sign that is so blurry I can’t even read the restrictions. Another friend of mine received a fine parking in the visitor’s bay next to me, but strangely enough the evidence shows a “No parking” sign that was displayed on the wall not even close to the bays we were parked in.

I’d contacted the friends I was visiting to see if there were any new signs next to the visitor’s bays as I never recalled seeing them there before and asked if they were made aware that they needed to provide visitor’s with permits. They confirmed that the signs were new and didn’t even know they were going to be put up, nor were they advised of needing to provide visitors with permits to park. They contacted their local council to query this and the council advised that the visitor permits had yet to be introduced and communications were due to be sent to residents to confirm these would be needed in future and they would confirm how to retrieve these, so they’re not sure why UKPCM had already put signs up and are distributing fines.

I had appealed the fine after my friends gave me this feedback, querying why signs are being displayed asking for permits that have yet to be made available by the local council, and highlighted their 1 picture of a sign so blurry that it’s not clear what it says. My friend has done the same, also highlighting their sign in their evidence is for another part of the residential area.

I’m unsure of the result of my friend’s appeal, but mine has been rejected with the following reason;

Whilst we note the comments and reason for appeal, as per our photographic evidence, the vehicle was parked in contravention of the advertised terms and conditions. As the vehicle was parked without a valid permit on display, we can confirm that this PCN has been issued correctly.

They’ve then given me the option of paying the £60 fine or furthering my appeal to the Independent Appeals Service (IAS). I’ve been tempted to take it further, but if I’m unsuccessful it means I have to pay the full £100 fine.

So just wanted to get opinions as to whether it’s worth taking the risk of appealing further with my same reasoning, and if yes if there any further evidence I can give in my appeal to IAS? Or whether I don’t risk it and pay the £60 fine?

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