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Also show the back of the notice.

Your first step here is to ask the pub to cancel the notice. It's in their best interest that their paying customers don't get struck with parking charges. Perfect way to lose customers I'd say.

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From the POC, italicised text added for context
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D (defendant) is liable as driver

You're fully sure you've never identified the driver in any appeals or other communication?
If so, the onus would be on them to prove that the RK was the driver and this part of the claim should be absolutely defended, as that seems to be what they are going on.

They can't rely on POFA to put liability on the keeper as they've never served the NTK

Please wait on people with more experience to help draft a response.

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Private parking tickets / Re: Luton PCN
« on: February 24, 2026, 03:18:55 pm »
POFA: The Protection of Freedoms Act 2012 - The legislation that gives private parking firms a strict pathway to keeper liability.

POPLA: An "independent" appeals organisation for private parking charges. Independent in quotes because it's still owned by the "British Parking Association"

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Private parking tickets / Re: Mediation Calls
« on: February 24, 2026, 03:13:38 pm »
This is the advice that gets posted often, you can search the forums for "mediation" and find plenty of mentions.

For the mediation call, the only requirement is for you "attend" the call. It is not part of the judicial process and no judge is involved.

This is what I advise you to say when you receive the call from the mediator:

Before I set out my position, please confirm from the claimant’s side:

• the full name of the person attending for them;
• their role/position at their legal representative’s firm; and
• whether they hold written authority to negotiate and settle today.

Please relay that back to me before we continue.

After the mediator calls back...

If identified and authority confirmed:

Thank you. I’m content to proceed on that basis. My settlement offer is £0, or I invite the claimant to discontinue with no order as to costs.

If no/unclear authority:

Please record that the claimant’s attendee has not confirmed settlement authority. My position remains that liability is denied and my offer is £0, subject to prompt approval by an authorised solicitor if they choose to discontinue.

If the mediator probes your defence:

In what capacity are you asking that question? Are you legally trained?  If not, please refrain from offering opinions. I will be reporting any attempt to do so as inappropriate.”

All you need to know is the name and the position of the person acting for the claimant and report that back to us. It will be over within minutes. Complete waste of time otherwise.

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Private parking tickets / Re: Unloading in a cul-de-sac/overstayed
« on: February 20, 2026, 03:01:14 pm »
All the info you need is in Jfellows' reply before yours.

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@Hashim Generally ignore debt collectors. They are powerless. HOWEVER, that seems to relate to a parking charge from UK PCM (Parking Control Management), so it seems to be from another parking charge at a different place.

If you didn't get a NTK, you should get in touch with them (UK PCM, not Trace) asking what it's about, ask for proof of posting, etc...

Would suggest opening up a new post for that one.

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Unsuccessful because POPLA/operator assumes keeper means owner. Considering the vehicle is on a lease, that's factually incorrect.

Guess I'm just waiting this out and hope APCOA really doesn't or can't take this further. Their window closes in April.
I'll keep this updated.


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Decision: Unsuccessful
Assessor Name: Richard Beaden

Assessor Summary:
The appellant disputes that the operator can issued a penalty believing only the train company can. The explain that the operator cannot use the Protection of Freedoms Act (2012) as the land is not relevant land. The appellant disputes that the operator can claim that the keeper of the vehicle is the owner. The appellant believes that the operator has to approach the magistrate’s court. The appellant has commented on the parking operator’s evidence.

Assessor Reason for Decision: (formatted for legibility)
When assessing an appeal POPLA considers if the parking operator has issued the penalty correctly and if the driver has complied with the rules of the car park.

This penalty has been issued for a breach of the Railway Byelaws. The byelaws make the owner of a vehicle responsible for the charge, who the operator can assume is the registered keeper unless the appellant can provide evidence that they were not the owner of the vehicle at the time of the offence. In this case no such evidence has been provided so I am satisfied that the appellant was the keeper of the vehicle and therefore the owner.

The appellant is correct that the operator cannot use the Protection of Freedoms Act (2012) as this site is not relevant land. The operator is pursing the appellant as the owner of the vehicle under the Railway Byelaws. Section 25 of the Railway Byelaws advises that an authorised person is any person authorised by the railway operator. APCOA has provided a document confirming that the Railway operator has given it permission to issue penalties on this site.

The specific of the APCOA contract with the railway operator is not relevant to this appeal as the ticket box itself is sufficient to prove that it has been granted the relevant authority to pursue penalties. Section 14 of the railway byelaws give the operator the right to issue penalties if a motorist breaches the displayed rules on the signs on the site.

The signs on this site advise that a penalty of £100 will be issued if the driver does not comply with the rules displayed. The rules require the driver to make a valid payment for their parking. The operator has provided a list which shows that no payment was made.

The appellant is correct the operator can take the appellant to magistrate’s court to purse the penalty if it remains unpaid. This does not invalidate the penalty or mean that the operator cannot first issue it and offer an appeals process. There is nothing within the byelaws which prevents POPLA from considering the penalty as a free alternative to it having to go to court. Even if the railway operator has maintained the right to pursue the penalties in court this does not prevent APCOA from issuing the charges or pursuing them for payment.

While the appellant advises that a Freedom of Information act request has been advised of this POPLA has not been presented with any evidence in support of this claim. I also note that as it did not affect the ability of the driver to comply with the parking rules it is not relevant to the outcome of this assessment.

APCOA is a member of the British Parking Association which requires it to provide access to POPLA. A contract has been provided which confirms that APCOA has been appointment by the railway operator to issue and purse penalties. The operator can hold the keeper of the vehicle liable as the owner of the vehicle. The department for transport confirmed that POPLA could consider appeals regarding penalties on Railway Land.

If the appellant has any concerns regarding the legality of POPLA considering the PCN I recommend the appellant seeks their own legal advice. The evidence confirms that the driver failed to pay for their use of their site.

As such I must conclude that the penalty was issued correctly and refuse this appeal.

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Their evidence pack lacks any Notice to Keeper, as expected.

You can possibly reply using the following:

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RESPONSE TO OPERATOR EVIDENCE

The operator has not proven compliance with PoFA Schedule 4 paragraph 8.

A windscreen Notice to Driver was issued on 22 November 2025. Where an NtD has been given and the driver is not identified, PoFA Schedule 4 paragraph 8 requires service of a compliant Notice to Keeper within the statutory day 29 to day 56 window. The operator has not produced any NtK in evidence.

Without compliance with PoFA, there is no lawful basis to pursue the Keeper. The identity of the driver has not been disclosed, and the operator may not rely on assumption or inference.

The appeal must therefore be upheld because the person being pursued cannot be liable for the charge in law.

Conclusion

The operator has ignored and failed to rebut the main ground: the operator has failed to produce or evidence service of any Notice to Keeper as required by PoFA Schedule 4 paragraph 8 and is put to strict proof of posting. The driver is unidentified. The appeal must be allowed.

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Private parking tickets / Re: Apoca parking- Manchester airport
« on: February 12, 2026, 04:50:25 pm »
It's indeed not relevant land. Here's one that was recently won through a single appeal to APCOA: https://www.ftla.uk/private-parking-tickets/apoca-manchester-terminal-2/msg106488/#msg106488

If you want more precise help, post up the PCN.

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Private parking tickets / Re: PCN - PCM Private parking
« on: February 12, 2026, 11:02:34 am »
The way I see it, but please wait until someone more experienced writes down their two cents:

1. Loading/Unloading is not parking - It's a permitted activity on double yellows. Absent clear pictures of the signs stating otherwise.
2. Even if they somehow think this is parking, there's no period of parking on the NTK - Just a single timestamp. These timestamped photos are taken just 3 seconds apart.
  - A period of parking is required for them to keep the keeper liable through POFA 2012.
  - Even IF they somehow mangle their way through thinking a single timestamp is enough, 3 seconds is not long enough for the driver to consider the terms of parking.

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Hi Stardog, just wondering what action you took ? My son has the exact same letter from Moorside Legal so he has the same dilemma.

Thank you

Please start your own thread if you're looking for advice. But before that, read this first.

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As already stated in my appeal, your Notice to Keeper does not comply with the strict requirements of Schedule 4 of the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012. The alleged parking event occurred on 16/12/2025, yet the Notice to Keeper was received on 02/01/2026, which is outside the mandatory 14-day delivery period prescribed by Paragraph 9(5) of POFA.

As previously stated by Ixxy, the date you receive the NTK is not relevant. The date of presumed delivery is 2 days after when the letter was sent, which in this case was just within the allowed timeframe. Delivery delays by Royal Mail are outside of their control.

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Ignore, they'll eventually discontinue.

Keep following previous advice.

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Mediation is only mandatory to attend.

Mediator will call you and the bulk litigator individually. You'll get asked what you offer as a settlement.
You offer £0 as a settlement, they'll refuse, and that's it. This will happen over the span of multiple short phone calls during the timeframe offered.

The mediators are not legally trained, they should not be offering you any advice or pushing you to accept anything.
If they do, get their name and file a complaint after.

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