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it does sound like the store staff just didn’t want to get involved.
I might try again with someone else at a quieter time. After reading some similar cases on here, the point about the NtK potentially missing important bits is very valuable. Thanks for pointing it out @RichardW.

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Hi, thank you very much for your advice. I really appreciate you taking the time to respond.
Just to clarify a couple of points:
The keeper did contact M&S to see if they could help cancelling the charge, but they advised that it is not their car park and is privately managed, so they were unable to help.

Regarding the layout, the bay where the driver parked is actually just before the exit. What is quite unusual is that all the signage appears to be positioned on the opposite side of that bay. On the side where the vehicle was parked, there are no visible signs at all, despite there being plenty of space for them. It does feel somewhat disconnected from the rest of the car park in that sense. I take your point about signage being present elsewhere, though.

Also, thank you for mentioning the wording point on the notice. Looking at it more closely, it seems to include some elements of the requirements under Protection of Freedoms Act 2012 Schedule 4, but the wording appears somewhat fragmented and spread out rather than set out clearly in one place. Would it be correct to understand that this part needs to meet a fairly strict standard in terms of how the “invitation” is presented?
Thank you very much again for your help.

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Hello,
Can anybody advise on this parking charge notice from Euro Car Parks please, is this worth appealing?
The registered keeper has received a Parking Charge Notice from Euro Car Parks relating to a stay at an M&S car park in Beckenham. https://maps.app.goo.gl/WWUkitS3TRQ2GaYx8

Car park limit: 90 minutes
ANPR recorded stay: 1 hour 43 minutes (entry 13:15:32, exit 14:58:24), with ANPR photos of the vehicle number plate on entry/exit
Date of event: 6 April 2026 (Bank Holiday Monday)
PCN issued: 13 April 2026
£85 charge, reduced to £50 if paid within 14 days

The driver entered the car park and, due to it being a busy bank holiday, it took some time to find a space.

Signage is present at the entrance, near the shop entrance, and in parts of the main car park. However, the driver eventually parked in a smaller bay (approx. 6 spaces) on the opposite side where there were no visible signs at all (photos available).

On leaving, there was congestion: a one-way exit with no alternative routes, and a queue of cars waiting at traffic lights with a long cycle. This caused delays exiting the site.

The Notice to Keeper is dated 13 April but was only received on 20 April, so a week of the reduced payment period has already passed.

Any guidance on the best approach and likelihood of success would be much appreciated. Is it worth appealing to Euro Car Parks first (and then to POPLA if rejected)?

Many thanks in advance.

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@ stamfordman hello! I wanted to thank you for your advice and support. Today, I received the council’s response, finally, they looked into my formal representation and the huge bundle of evidence I provided to prove the sign is poorly maintained. They withdrew their unfair fine!!! It’s a huge victory for me!! 🎉Thank you @stamfordman 🙌🏻

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You need to draft something in your own words about the sign issue. As it stands their pic is what they'll show the adjudicator so you need to get ducks in a row to back up your case.
@stamfordman, I am trying to submit my formal representation, but can’t find where and how to do it. The notice to owner mentions that there is a separate sheet to consult to fo the representations but there was no separate sheet enclosed. Is there a website I can go onto to submit my representation online? The Bromley council/parking link opens up the page with the council’s evidence and option to appeal again but no option to submit representation. The notice to owner also provides a postal address but it’s impractical in this case as I need to attach my photo and video evidence and I need to have some tracking opportunity. Please can you advise how to go about submitting my representations correctly? Thank you in advance.

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Hello,
@stamfordman, I received a Notice to Owner (NTO) today and would be grateful if you could advise on the best course of action.
I intend to make formal representations and would like to ensure I follow the correct procedure. Please could you advise whether there is a standard format or specific points I should address to make sure my representation is submitted properly?
here are the letter images:
https://ibb.co/B5bdG59X
https://ibb.co/CKstzQHz
https://ibb.co/1fwjgV9j

Thank you very much

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Thank you. If there is a chance to get this PCN cancelled, I’d like to appeal. The logbook has the correct address.

Thank you for responding, will wait for the nto.

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Thank you, Stamfordman, I would be happy to get a chance to fight this ticket. How would I proceed with the appeal? Would you be able to advise please?

@stamfordman, hello, would you be able to advise on the protocol for the NtO stage, and how to argue the bad signage (relevant law etc) or please point to the right place to get more info on that, as I tried to search in the pinned posts and couldn’t find it. Thank you very much

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Thank you, Stamfordman, I would be happy to get a chance to fight this ticket. How would I proceed with the appeal? Would you be able to advise please?

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I am considering to write a complaint letter to the council about this.

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The sign was installed recently, approximately two weeks before the incident. It is very poorly maintained. I have observed it over the past few weeks and it remains in poor condition; even yesterday it was still turned away, suggesting that it is being moved or rotated regularly.
Regarding the bay markings, they are quite faint. I parked across two bays because that was where space was available between the cars already parked. Do you think I still have grounds to appeal, or would this be difficult to prove, as the other expert suggested?

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Thank you for your advice. Fair point. However why then they turned the sign to the traffic side to take photos gor the evidence. To be honest, I’ve never seen traffic/parking signs facing pavements. When we approach with an intention to park, before getting out of the car drivers usually look out from their car to see whether ok or not to park. I get the point that I should be getting out and searching for the signs since it’s a parking bay, but why can’t it be clearly visible from approach, so I would just move past if I don’t want to pay for parking or park and pay, which most of us do when it’s required all the time. It’s a very interesting sign display strategy.thank you very much for explaining that it will be close to impossible to argue in this way.

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Here is the rejection letter
https://ibb.co/nNWmPjz3
https://ibb.co/k2WcQbHT
I submitted my appeal on 11 October and included reasons that I originally posted here too. That sign is still turned away from the road. This is obviously a trap for motorists. I spoke to some drivers who were parked there on other days and they were unaware of the sign as they didn’t see so they didn’t pay and were just lucky the wardens didn’t come check then. So, the advise is to just pay, right?

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Hello, after submitting my appeal and a long wait, I finally received the council’s reply letter of rejection. Exactly as you said, they pointed out that it’s driver’s responsibility to check the signs. I was also observing this sign for a while after that unlucky day, the sign is still turned away from the road, many more drivers get caught into this trap. It must have happened to others as people stopped parking on that road, but the sign still turned away and practically invisible to drivers from the road.
However, the question is whether there is a chance to cancel this ticket? Thank you for your advice.

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I have just went to the same place to check the signage again and can see that the parking sign is still turned away from the road. It looks like someone is tampering with this sign as the metal tape the sign is fixed on appears to be tampered with. There are no other signs on that road apart from the Enterprise Car club sign at the top of the road, that sign was there for a long time and applies to a couple of designated places. There is also an empty pole just opposite the entrance into the train station (with nothing on it), this pole is maybe about 15-20 meters away from the pole with the turned away parking notice sign on. It is unclear whether this sign is in operation as there are no other visible signs there. If it is in operation, then it would be a very recent change - a couple of weeks max, before there was no restriction whatsoever. And the fact that there is another blue signage related to the train station on the same pole, it diverts attention and obscures the parking signage especially that it is turned away from the road.
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