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Thank you @DWMB2 for the sound advice, I shall indeed be appealing today and post here the outcome. Though I do hope i'm still within time as I believe the letter was dated 20th or 21st of Janruary?

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But surely if my appeal gets rejected by every party they can still take me to court, which is what DCB Legal did to me last year when they sent me a letter for a similar thing but different place?

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It would seem that both outcomes are the same?

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Here are all the links again for the signage. I have checked and they are working and viewable. The PCN i will upload later today. 

https://ibb.co/zVVQ3byp
https://ibb.co/VpvvDDgW
https://ibb.co/FbwFQ8zW
https://ibb.co/Q3vpZBGf
https://ibb.co/LX7LpBQg
https://ibb.co/XZQqkGgB
https://ibb.co/n8QV427L
https://ibb.co/ks5jTftt
https://ibb.co/BKHQXV78

There is NO parking signage from leaving the main road (Leckwith Road) into the Sports Campus area. The first signage is located in the parking bays area. After that, there is one or two signs dotted around.

I’m thinking of ignoring Smart Parking letter and wait and see what action they follow up with??

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This was a response on the forum from @b789 to marxman,


"I am the keeper of the vehicle, and I dispute your 'parking charge'. I deny any liability or contractual agreement, and I will be making a complaint about your predatory conduct to your client landowner.

As your Notice to Keeper (NtK) does not fully comply with ALL the requirements of PoFA 2012, you are unable to hold the keeper of the vehicle liable for the charge. Partial or even substantial compliance is not sufficient. There will be no admission as to who was driving and no inference or assumptions can be drawn. PPS has relied on contract law allegations of breach against the driver only.

The registered keeper cannot be presumed or inferred to have been the driver, nor pursued under some twisted interpretation of the law of agency. Your NtK can only hold the driver liable. PPS have no hope at POPLA, so you are urged to save us both a complete waste of time and cancel the PCN."


Is it worth me using this paragraph to write to Smart Parking?

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Hi alls,

Any advice with the above?

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Hi all,

Here are the photos from the area of where I have received the notice from Smart Parking. The sign closest to where I parked behind the building is in welsh, which is not at all help as I don’t speak the language.

Presumably there are other signs dotted around the area referring to the parking bays, but nothing that suggests or indicates the road behind the Cardiff Sports Campus is paid parking?

There are no parking signs when leaving the main road and entering into the Sports area.

Any thoughts?

https://ibb.co/VpQ9fggp
https://ibb.co/wZdGCr6J
https://ibb.co/rKm3Hcwy
https://ibb.co/mVvMMFzB



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Thanks @InterCity125 I will take some photo's this week and post them here. What should I do in the meantime with regards to the letter good folks? 

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Please see above conversations for links of letter by Smart Parking.


Smart Parking letter states arrival time 10:25am, departure time 11:56am. It shows only an image of the front of the vehicle and the behind.

What would be the argument of naming the driver and holding the keeper accountable and not parked in one of their designatated carpark areas?

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Hi all,

I know everyone is pretty busy but does anyone have any advice of how to tackle the above?

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Thank you @Fluffykins for adding them, not sure exactly why the links became corrupted. Here is the link for the one that was missing.

https://ibb.co/ZpBrhfRS


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Private parking tickets / SMART PARKING - NOTICE TO KEEPER - PARKING CHARGE
« on: February 02, 2026, 07:15:05 pm »

To all,

I have recently recieved a letter from SMART PARKING - NOTICE TO KEEPER - PARKING CHARGE - with an amount outstanding of £100  (See attachment) and wish to get some advice from the wonderful community of people here.

Interestingly, the letter only shows a picture of the vehicle front and back and no evidence of parking?


"PCN Information

The Parking Charge has been issued to your vehicle. . . . , because between the period of 10:25 (10/01.2026) to 11:56 (10/01/2026) it was parked in a manner whereby the driver became liable for a parking charge at Cardiff International Sports Campus, Cardiff CF11 8AZ, paid for insufficient time (ANPR). This is supported by camera images of the vehicle entering and exiting the car park. The signage, which is clearly displayed at the terms and conditions set out in the signage, the Parking Charge is now payable to Smart Parking Ltd (as the Creditor).

You are notified under paragraph 9(2)(b) of schedule 4 of the Protection of Freedom Act 2012 that the driver of the motor vehicle is required to pay this notice in full. As we do not know the driver's name or current postal address, you the vehicle's keeper are now invited to either:

1. Pay the charge, or
2. If you were not the driver at the time of the event, please provide us with the driver's full name and current address using the contact details below and pass this Parking Charge to them. (Once this information is receieved, we will pursue the driver).

This Notice is given to you under Paragraph 9(2)(f) of Schedule 4 of the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012 and is subject to our complaince with the applicable conditions under this Act. If within 28 days, beginning with the day after that on which the notice is given (which is presumed to be the second working day after the date of issue) the amount due has not been paid in full and we do not know both the name and current address of the driver, we have the right to recover any unpaid part of the notice from you, the keeper."


*I like the carefully worded: you the vehicle's keeper are now invited to either  ;D ;D  ;D 


To give context.
I use this sports area often to take my small child to grassroots football there. Turning off the main road you drive along another road of the Sports area where there is 3 designated area's of paid parking, which guranteeded are full every Saturaday morning. What isn't designated parking and does not have any signage or yellow lines is a road directly behind Cardiff International Sports Campus where people do park freely, and on occassions I do myself.

I have hightlighted the photo on the attached as follows.

Red - paid designated parking
Green - behind the building.

I welcome all to comment, advise and point me in the right direction of how to tackle this matter.

Best regards,

https://ibb.co/0Rx03czJ
https://ibb.co/GQ526dqJ
https://ibb.co/szSFxKC


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Private parking tickets / Re: PARKINGEYE/DCB LEGAL Mediation
« on: December 22, 2025, 02:11:48 pm »

To all,

Please see below the final outcome response to my Stage 3 complaint to HMCTS regarding the mediators conduct. This may prove useful going forward for others who are challenging Parkingeye/DCB Legal and are faced with mediation.

Let me know your thoughts.

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HM Courts & Tribunals Service
User Investigations Team
6th Floor (6.13)
102 Petty France London
SW1H 9AJ



Email: userinvestigations@justice.gov.uk



18th December 2025               Without Prejudice


Dear


Our final reply to your complaint


Thank you for your email of 3 December about the Small Claims Mediation Service (SCM). Your complaint has been passed to me to consider at the final stage of our complaints process. I’m sorry to hear you’re unhappy with our replies so far. I can see you’re concerned about the mediation appointment that took place on 27 October and you’re unhappy with how the mediation was conducted.

I’ve checked the available information and I didn’t see that we made any administrative mistakes, so I’m sorry I can’t uphold your complaint. I’ve explained how I made my decision in more detail below.

How I made by decision

It may help if I explain, the purpose of mediation is to explore settlement. It is completely separate from the court process to protect neutrality and encourage open discussion. If the case progresses to court, the judge will not see what was said during mediation or the reasons why settlement was not reached. There is no requirement for the mediator to keep detailed notes of the discussions or any procedural issues. Only the outcome of the appointment is needed. This protects both parties’ privacy and make sure that the judge’s decision is not influenced by what was said in mediation.

The mediator’s role is to confirm that each person taking part has authority to settle the claim, which was done during your appointment. While I appreciate that you feel that the claimant’s representative should have identified themselves, there is no requirement for them to do this, and the mediator cannot make the parties share their personal details. During the appointment, the mediator will gather information from one party and relay this to the other. Please be assured that this isn’t advocating for one party over another because the mediator cannot add their own opinions, argue for a party, or try to influence the outcome of the appointment. It is done to ensure that both sides understand each other’s position.
 
In your case, mediation couldn’t proceed once you stated that you disputed the claim.

While you have explained that you didn’t want to negotiate because the claimant’s representative wouldn’t confirm their identity, I hope you’ll understand that HMCTS mediation guidance states that if a party confirms they will not engage in negotiation, the mediation cannot continue. Because of this, there was no need to pass your concerns onto the Claimant once you made your position clear. I’m sorry that this wasn’t made clearer in our previous letters. Even so, I’m satisfied that the mediator acted appropriately and in line with HMCTS guidance.

If you’re still unhappy with our response

This letter is our final reply to you in line with our complaints procedure, we won’t be writing to you about this again.
If you’re unhappy with how I’ve handled your complaint, you can ask a member of parliament (MP) to pass your case to the Parliamentary and Health Service Ombudsman (the Ombudsman). However, if you’re a victim of crime as defined by the Code of Practice for Victims of Crime in England and Wales (https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/the-code-of-practice-for-victims-of-crime) then you can escalate your complaint directly to the PHSO.

How to pass your complaint to the Ombudsman

1. Go to www.ombudsman.org.uk/making-complaint.
2. Check the information to see if they can help you – the Ombudsman cannot review all types of
complaint.
3. Download a complaint form from the Ombudsman’s website.
4. Follow their directions for submitting a complaint
Your MP will then pass the complaint to the Ombudsman and get the process started.

Yours sincerely




Richard Redgrave
Head of User Investigations



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Private parking tickets / Re: PARKINGEYE/DCB LEGAL Mediation
« on: December 19, 2025, 10:16:55 am »

Here is the Notice of Discontinuance, hope that I've done it right for you to see?


https://ibb.co/hFrKphCm

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Private parking tickets / Re: PARKINGEYE/DCB LEGAL Mediation
« on: December 18, 2025, 07:40:25 am »

The name printed - not wet signature - was a David Croot, Director of DCB Legal. I will upload the attachment sometime this morning.

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