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Private parking tickets / Re: MET Stansted PCN not sure which car park
« on: August 29, 2025, 09:03:37 pm »
got my appeal result today, it was successful so thought i'd post the appeals summery

I am allowing this appeal for the following reason: When an appeal comes to POPLA the burden of proof begins with the operator to evidence that the PCN has been issued correctly. In this case the operator has issued the PCN to the driver for parking without authorisation. The driver has not been identified, and the operator must meet the requirements set out in the Protections of Freedoms Act (POFA) 2012 to transfer liability to the keeper however, POFA can only be used on relevant land. The PCN has been issued on land under statutory control as airport land is not considered relevant land unless the parking operator can demonstrate otherwise. Section 3 (1) (c) of POFA 2012 discusses the relevant land definition below: “3(1)In this Schedule “relevant land” means any land (including land above or below ground level) other than— (a) a highway maintainable at the public expense (within the meaning of section 329(1) of the Highways Act 1980); (b) a parking place which is provided or controlled by a traffic authority; (c) any land (not falling within paragraph (a) or (b)) on which the parking of a vehicle is subject to statutory control.” The parking operator has attempted to demonstrate that the land on which the vehicle was parked is in fact relevant land by advising that the Stansted Airport byelaws do not impose a penalty for vehicles parking within Southgate Park and quote Section 3 (3) which advises: "(3) For the purposes of sub-paragraph (1)(c) the parking of a vehicle on land is “subject to statutory control” if any statutory provision imposes a liability (whether criminal or civil, and whether in the form of a fee or charge or a penalty of any kind) in respect of the parking on that land of vehicles generally or of vehicles of a description that includes the vehicle in question." The appellant has then reviewed the operator’s evidence and questioned whether this claim is sufficient as there are penalties imposed on the land under said byelaws within The Stansted Airport - London Byelaws, 1996. Having reviewed the same document I can confirm that penalties are being imposed on the land to vehicles as stated in Section 2, 5(3), 6(1) and 6(3) of the byelaws as provided by the operator. They have provided no evidence that shows that the area of Southgate Park does not fall within the airport jurisdiction. I am therefore satisfied that the land can be considered under statutory control. The operator has not demonstrated that this is relevant land and POFA 2012 therefore cannot be applied in this instance. As such, the PCN is invalid as liability cannot be transferred without using POFA 2012. I am therefore not satisfied that the PCN has been issued correctly. Accordingly, I must allow the appeal. I acknowledge that the appellant has brought other grounds of appeal and evidence to POPLA, but as I am allowing this appeal based on the reasoning above, there is no requirement to address the additional evidence and grounds as they will not affect the outcome of this appeal.

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got my appeal decision, it was successful so i thought i'd post the appeal summery from popla.

I am allowing this appeal for the following reason: When an appeal comes to POPLA the burden of proof begins with the operator to evidence that the PCN has been issued correctly. In this case the operator has issued the PCN to the driver for parking without authorisation. The driver has not been identified, and the operator must meet the requirements set out in the Protections of Freedoms Act (POFA) 2012 to transfer liability to the keeper however, POFA can only be used on relevant land. The PCN has been issued on land under statutory control as airport land is not considered relevant land unless the parking operator can demonstrate otherwise. Section 3 (1) (c) of POFA 2012 discusses the relevant land definition below: “3(1)In this Schedule “relevant land” means any land (including land above or below ground level) other than— (a) a highway maintainable at the public expense (within the meaning of section 329(1) of the Highways Act 1980); (b) a parking place which is provided or controlled by a traffic authority; (c) any land (not falling within paragraph (a) or (b)) on which the parking of a vehicle is subject to statutory control.” The parking operator has attempted to demonstrate that the land on which the vehicle was parked is in fact relevant land by advising that the Stansted Airport byelaws do not impose a penalty for vehicles parking within Southgate Park and quote Section 3 (3) which advises: "(3) For the purposes of sub-paragraph (1)(c) the parking of a vehicle on land is “subject to statutory control” if any statutory provision imposes a liability (whether criminal or civil, and whether in the form of a fee or charge or a penalty of any kind) in respect of the parking on that land of vehicles generally or of vehicles of a description that includes the vehicle in question." The appellant has then reviewed the operator’s evidence and questioned whether this claim is sufficient as there are penalties imposed on the land under said byelaws within The Stansted Airport - London Byelaws, 1996. Having reviewed the same document I can confirm that penalties are being imposed on the land to vehicles as stated in Section 2, 5(3), 6(1) and 6(3) of the byelaws as provided by the operator. They have provided no evidence that shows that the area of Southgate Park does not fall within the airport jurisdiction. I am therefore satisfied that the land can be considered under statutory control. The operator has not demonstrated that this is relevant land and POFA 2012 therefore cannot be applied in this instance. As such, the PCN is invalid as liability cannot be transferred without using POFA 2012. I am therefore not satisfied that the PCN has been issued correctly. Accordingly, I must allow the appeal. I acknowledge that the appellant has brought other grounds of appeal and evidence to POPLA, but as I am allowing this appeal based on the reasoning above, there is no requirement to address the additional evidence and grounds as they will not affect the outcome of this appeal.

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i did provide that map of stanstead, although MET have admitted in their evidence the car park is within the boundry. I drafted something up based on what i found on this site as i had to respond to the appeal to be within the 7 days. 

i find it incredulous the POPLA waste their time dealing with these cases against MET and southgate park, as surely the outcome is always the same.  why doesn't something change to stop wasting everyones time

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HI,
i had a pcn from MET parking at southgate park, stanstead airport.  Followed the usual advice, did not disclose driver details and submitted an appeal to popla.  this is METs response, and looking for advice on an appropriate response.  many thanks

In the appeal to POPLA Mr Knowles raises the following grounds for appeal:

• No keeper liability As we have not been provided with the name and address of the driver of the vehicle, we are pursuing the registered keeper under Schedule 4 of The Protection of Freedoms Act 2012. Please see our compliant Notice to Keeper in Section B of our evidence pack. Please also see a full explanation of why we may pursue the registered keeper under Schedule 4 of PoFA 2012 in Section C of our evidence pack. As stated in paragraph 3 of Schedule 4 of the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, Relevant Land is any land that is not a) a highway maintainable at the public expense, b) a parking place which is provided or controlled by a traffic authority, or c) any land excepting the aforementioned on which the parking of a vehicle is subject to statutory control. Paragraph 3 subsection 3 states that parking is subject to statutory control if any statutory provision imposes a liability in respect of the parking of vehicles on that land. The Stansted Airport byelaws do not impose a penalty for vehicles parking within Southgate Park. We have included in section E of this evidence pack excerpts from the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012 and also the Airport byelaws. The full airport byelaws may be viewed online at: https://assets.live.dxp.maginfrastructure.com/f/73114/x/46195467c9/stansted-byelaws.pdf In light of this, the site is not excluded by the definitions laid out in paragraph 3 of Schedule 4 of the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012 and as such is considered Relevant Land. For the sake of clarity: Southgate Park is a pay-by-phone car park, by definition a place in which to park vehicles. The Stansted Airport byelaws do not impose a liability in respect of parking vehicles within the Southgate Park car park. In light of this we believe the site is not excluded by the definitions laid out in paragraph 3 of Schedule 4 of the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012 and as such is considered Relevant Land.

• Breach of KADOE As stated above, we have complied with all aspects of PoFA 2012 and therefore there has been no such breach. We believe we may continue to process Mr Knowles’ data under the following legal bases:  Contract – The processing is necessary for the parking contract that has been entered into when vehicles enter and remain in the location.  Legitimate Interests – Processing is required to protect and enable pursuit of legitimate interests in ensuring the car park is effectively managed, pursuing unpaid parking tariffs and charges due and promoting the safety and security of the location.

• Unclear signage We are confident that there are sufficient signs in place in this car park and that the signs are prominently displayed and clearly state the terms and conditions. In Section E of our evidence pack we have included images of the signs in place and a site plan of the location. We are confident that our signage complies with all relevant legislation and regulations. A motorist does not have to have read the terms and conditions of parking to enter into a parking contract, there is only the requirement that the parking operator affords them the opportunity to do so. As stated, we are confident that there is sufficient signage at the site in order to afford motorists the chance to read the terms and conditions that are in place. Upon entry to the site, it is the motorist’s obligation to seek out any terms and conditions that may be in place before choosing to park or remain on site.

• No evidence of landowner authority We have included a copy of our contract with the landowner in Section E of our evidence pack. We have redacted commercially sensitive details and highlighted relevant clauses for ease of reading. Our contract with the landowner grants us authority to form contracts with motorists and issue parking charge notices for contractual breach. We refer you to the Supreme Court ruling on ParkingEye v Beavis for the judges’ determination on whether a parking operator is acting as an agent or principal. The ruling may be found at https://www.supremecourt.uk/cases/docs/uksc-2013-0280-judgment.pdf.darl

Turning to the charge itself: In this instance, the driver had not registered the vehicle for the free parking period. As advised on the signs, only customers are entitled to the free parking period, and they must register their vehicle on arrival. The driver did not make payment for their stay as an alternative and as such the parking charge was issued. In line with F.3(g) of the Appeals Charter, we requested evidence of custom during the initial appeal process (as only customers are entitled to park for free). We did not receive this and as such the appellant was not entitled to the further discount when the appeal was rejected.

PLEASE NOTE: regarding the further reduction of a charge under Annex F, the Sector Single Code of Practice specifically states that ‘in all cases the Appeals Charter would require the motorist to provide the evidence.’. As such, without the appellant providing supporting evidence then there is no requirement for an operator to allow a further reduction. The terms and conditions of parking are clearly stated on the signs that are prominently displayed at the entrance to and around the car park. These include that the car park is for the use of Southgate Park customers only and that to receive the 60-minute maximum free stay for customers, drivers must enter their vehicle registration on arrival. Visitors may extend their stay up to 3 hours by using the pay by phone service. As the evidence we have provided in Section E of our evidence pack demonstrates, the vehicle remained in the car park without being registered for the free parking period and no payment was made as an alternative. It remains the driver’s responsibility to check the signs where they park and comply with the stated terms and conditions. Therefore, we believe that the charge notice was issued correctly, and the appeal should be refused.

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Hi,

just an update, finally got a call from someone competent at TFL yesterday afternoon, and they've cancelled the PCN, he said i can see you made the payment so everything is OK, got an email to confirm as well.

thanks for all your replies.

I registered the car at my nieces with her permission, as it needed to be registered to a British address when purchased, it was exported a couple of weeks later, and is now re-registered in France, it was insured, taxed and mot'd - not sure why that's a charade.

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any advice on the appeal papers. i want to say something about signage, as when i entered the zone, i don't recall seeing much signage, i only went in by about 1km.  admittedly i didnt realise i was going in to the zone, which contribute to me not noticing the signs,

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hi, the appeal papers arrived here in france today, its dated 22/5/25.  PCN number is XJ55452831. car reg is t51gvc.

yes, i have made repeated contact with Customer services, given them proof of payment, car reg, payment card details and exact time and date payment was made.  i keep getting told i didn't make payment, even when i clearly show them i did, i recognise it was a 2 days late, but it let me make the payment.   its driving me insane, ive contacted them on FB, and still no joy, i keep asking for a senior manager to call me, but they do not.

im going to fill out the appeal papers today and send them back, but it seems so ridiculous when i can clearly show payment.


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Whose car is it, where is it registered and to whom, and where is it kept.
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its my car, is was UK registered to me at my nieces address, and it was then exported from the UK on the 10th April, and has since be re-registered in France

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HI, thanks for the replies.

it did let me make the payment for the date concerned not sure how but it did, i don't have a screenshot of it, but i have my bank statement showing the 2 payments. i have only ever driven in the zone twice.

i have given them the details of the card and bank statement several times,  but just going around in circles.

i received the PCN ticket, as the car was registered at my nieces house for 3 weeks prior to it being exported permanently from the UK, she sent me copies of the pcn, which started my tring to deal with this, but they sent the appeal papers there and she was away on holiday.

I find it amazing that the can find neither payment, either using the car registration and card details, as i know it was definitely the proper TFL page. 

i just dont know what to do, i keep asking them to get a senior manager to contact me, but they don't do anything'


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Hi,
I drove in london for the 1st time in 20 years in April whilst visiting my daughter, i was in a non compliant car (1999).  She had advised me that the ULEZ zone ended at the North Circular Road, so i mistakenly entered the Ulez without realising. I became aware of my mistake 4 days later, when i entered the zone again, saw the signs and did some research. I then went on the official TFL site and paid the charge, for both entries, admittedly i was one day late on the first.  I then received a PCN 5 days after i paid.  I've contacted TFL, and given them proof of payment in the form of a bank statement, the date payment was made, the card details 1st 6 numbers and last 4, expiry date of card, exact time and date of payment, my name and car registration number. However after exchanging numerous emails they can't locate the payment.  i dont live in the UK, and they have sent my appeal papers, after they rejected my online appeal, but i may not receive them in time to appeal, as they were sent to a former address.  Any advice would be welcomed.   have to admit i find it amazing they cannot locate the payment, as they clearly received it, otherwise i would have had a 2nd PCN when i entered the 2nd time

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