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Thank you for your reply Incandescent!

I'm presuming if this was appealed then it would be the driver that needs to carry it on further? The driver is not me but my husband and neither of us have one once of legal brain cells between us, hence the reaching out on the forum. I guess I should have known this would be more technical than the private parking tickets and it's quite a daunting thought.

Does the help that gets offered on this forum take it step by step, stage by stage or is it a case of you get pointed in the right direction and left to crack on. I'm all up for a fight but some fights I recognise I can't do alone and this is one I'm nervous tackling without full guidance step by step. Our trip abroad will be to a country where their day is our night and visa versa. I know it would just mean setting an alarm to wake up for whatever but what happens if, for whatever reason, he misses it?

Just to clarify...

Take it to the LT and win, happy days!

Take it to the LT and lose, does that mean the amount of the fine is £160 and that is all or are there other fees to pay too?

Many thanks.

Best if you wait for their rejection letter. You never know, they may shoot themselves in the foot in their reply.

Ok, will do. Thanks very much.

Out of curiosity, is there a deadline whereby they have to reply back?

Thank you @Incandescent...

Please watch this dash cam footage

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1EmmkDXi66tgEajMqNoFcUC0Z2gT5xO8H/view?usp=sharing

I have not had to deal with these types of PCN's before only the parking ones as to the deadline time the PCN did not arrive in the post until a week after the date of the notice. The driver went back to see the situation and to take photos but did not think to measure signs etc. The video above is dash cam footage of the warning signs on approach to the restriction sign which was covered then as when the driver went back it was outside restriction times. At the beginning you see one warning sign on the left then the driver turns/veers right and you see another warning sign but that is situated in an odd location and as you drive up Holford Road it gets obscured by the tree branches.

Anyway, rather than just paying the amount this is what I submitted as my representations.

"I make representations against this PCN on the grounds that the restriction signage did not adequately convey the restriction to motorists.

The “No Motor Vehicles During Restricted Hours” sign is positioned excessively high immediately after a give-way junction and before a right-hand bend. A driver approaching this location must focus on giving way and checking for oncoming traffic around the bend, rather than looking upwards for elevated signage.

I have supplied photographs showing the position of the restriction sign, together with photographs showing one advance warning sign facing away from approaching Holford Road traffic and partially obscured by tree foliage.

The warning signs also display unusually small lettering which is difficult to read safely while approaching the junction of East Heath Road and Holford Road.

Given the road layout and positioning of the signage, I do not believe the restriction was adequately conveyed and I respectfully request that the PCN be cancelled"

So that is my defence which was submitted today and now the pressure is off.

If anyone is able to give me advice how to go forward if/when the rejection letter comes through eg...does the driver need to go back to take measurements then I get get that done in advance.

Thank you all again.

Ahhh,I was so close....

Is this better?
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1F3XBvhHqPcRfadpn8s9y6vCWPLQC3Ht1/view?usp=sharing

There were 2 prior warning signs that were completely missed located on E Heath Road. They appear to me to be quite small and the printed restriction times even smaller still. I don't think you would be able to read the times as you are driving past. One sign located on the left hand side shortly before you turn/veer right into Holford Road (its kinda like the letter Y) and one on the actual junction where it veers off right. The 2'warning' signs are circled in green in this picture with the 3rd green circle on the right indicating the restriction sign (at the time the picture was taken it was covered over)https://ibb.co/ZRjW0M0J

The driver was a PH driver en route to picking up a passenger waiting at an address on Cannon Place. Unknown to them there was a new restriction in place and having researched this new restriction I can see that it would impossible for anyone to actually pick the passenger up from Cannon Place without entering the restriction as the restriction encompasses all the surrounding streets too. Fine, the passenger would have had to have walked to the PH driver who should have waited outside the restricted zone but what if that isn't possible...eg, passenger has mobility issues, health issues, elderly etc. I'm not sure how the sign was missed, the driver would not have deliberately driven into a restricted zone willingly to receive a fine afterwards. The restriction sign is placed on the left hand side of Holford Road where the right hand bend is so perhaps the driver was focused more on oncoming traffic coming around the bend instead. There is no restriction sign situated on the other side of Holford Road which I think would be more in the eye line of the driver - are there not supposed to be 2 signs - one on either side of the road? Watching the video it seems to me that the height of the restriction sign is way higher in comparison to the height of the MPV which in itself is 2 meters high. Should I go back and measure the height of the sign, are there regulations around the correct sizing of these signs?

I ask advice too as to whether the PCN is issued correctly, should it not state the contravention code of 52M on the PCN or is that a minor detail?

Many thanks.

bump please?

Good evening all....

Back again to seek help from coughing up £80 for a PCN that came in the post.

This time it's for entering a road with restrictions. I believe this restriction sign is relatively new in place, definitely post Aug 2025 anyway. The person driving the car at the time drives for a living so recalling the reasons as to why they missed the signs are a bit hazy and frankly, I'm pretty sure Camden Council wouldn't give 2 hoots as to why the driver missed the signs anyway. I'm just wondering if the size and placement of the warning signs are adequate.

Doing a quick search shows this is an 18 month Healthy Schools Street trial, I have downloaded the extremely long public notice.
Link here if it is of any importance
https://ibb.co/yFRTnb7t



Google maps last view date is in 2025 without any restrictions.

This is the location link
https://maps.app.goo.gl/Fa9quBTpoxA21Viy5

Approaching eastbound on E Heath Road before the right hand turn into Holford Road is a warning sign on the left hand side of the road, quite small in my opinion and the printed time restrictions are only readable if you were to actually park in the road and get out to read them. Past that, once you veer right into Holford Road, is another warning sign same size as the one before the right hand turn. Proceeding down Holford Road where the bend is, is the actual restriction sign. There is only one on the left hand side of the road, none on the right hand side. Do they not need to have one either side of the road? I have since visited the area to check the signage and to take pictures but was outside the restriction times so the detail on the plate is not visible. I've screenshot a photo taken from Camden Councils web page instead.
Link to photo's here
https://ibb.co/jBnvFQZ
https://ibb.co/ZRjW0M0J
https://ibb.co/5dS660p

I was also wondering if the PCN itself meets all it's legal requirements, does it not need to show a contravention code?
Link to pcn here
https://ibb.co/XxfNRtGT


Any advice as always from this forum is extremely appreciated especially as the driver earns a pittance as it is and can well do without £80 disappearing down the proverbial.


Many, many thanks to all.

Thanks b789 - I will sit tight until the rubbish comes in the post and will appeal it as per your post.

Kind regards

Perfect, I shall look into both your suggestions and in regards to complaining to PPS and then BPA I will post any response back from them here out of interest for anyone who wants to know!

Thank you all again - this forum is absolutely fantastic and keep up the amazing work you all do