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I understand re it not being binding. Although the judge said that if CPM brought the additional outstanding PCNs for this defendant to the court then that would be considered unreasonable behaviour. Small victories!

Judge was very no-nonsense. He'd clearly read all the submissions. Before we were properly seated he started quizzing the poor claimant's advocate about the evidence of any regulation.

This was my first time. County Court at Bromley. I didn't even need to speak until nearly the end, as there appeared to be no case to answer.


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Private parking tickets / Re: Going to court for a PCN - Contract Law
« on: June 02, 2025, 10:44:43 pm »
OK, thanks.

It was just that the decisive factor in the decision (no regulation) didn't match the title or content of the original post.

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Private parking tickets / Re: Going to court for a PCN - Contract Law
« on: June 02, 2025, 09:56:30 pm »
This case went to court last week, and was decided in favour of the defendant. The claim was rejected (not sure of the correct term) and the claimant had to pay costs for loss of earnings and for travel to the court.

The main factors that the judge cited when making the decisions were:

1. The lease gave the defendant the use of a specific named space. The space wasn't "allocated" or part of a pool of spaces, it was a specific space identified in the lease.

2. The lease granted Exclusive Use of the space.

3. The lease provided the ability for the landlord to make Regulations for the running of the estate.

4. The claimant was required to show that such a regulation regarding parking had been made. The judge focused on this point and asked the claimant for their evidence of such a regulation. It was noted that the Management Agreement between the landlord and the claimant was not a regulation. Similarly, the display of signs at the site was not such a regulation.

4. The claimant could not show that such a regulation had been made.

Therefore the judgement was in favour of the defendant.

Note that the point in my original question, regarding whether consideration was required from and provided by the claimant, was not tested in court.

Thanks again for the input from this forum.

P.S. I could make a separate post in this forum to make this judgement easier to find for others. Should I do that?

P.P.S. I'm writing this in the third person, as the defendant was a friend of mine. I appeared in court as a Lay Representative of the defendant, and spoke on their behalf.

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I'm trying to keep it simple - the claimant has no authority to rent out this space for parking.

My understanding is that I have to respond to each of the claimant's point's, otherwise it could be taken as an implicit acceptance. My final response seems to be quite concise (to me!) and I can't see how the claimant can refute it.

Perhaps we'll see in court. It would be good for it to get as far as court, so it sets a precedent. There seems to be precious little of them.

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Thanks @b789. It's interested that Gladstones can't follow the correct procedures. They must do this all the time...

Yes, the documents have already been submitted. The court hearing is in a couple of weeks.

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Sure, thanks.

Gladstones are representing the Claimant.

The particulars of claim are in the first attachment.

The defence is in the second attachment.

The claimant followed up as follows. It was a long response, so I've included only the salient bits (I think):

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18. The Defendant submitted an appeal on the 5th December 2022 the grounds for which were that: he was parked within his parking space and his permit was displayed further, that the landlord had no authority to rent out his parking space and in turn, had no authority to rent the parking space to the Claimant. The appeal was rejected on the basis that the evidence was sufficient to show the permit displayed was no longer valid and thus, the terms and conditions had been breached. (Document 6)

The Defendant seeks to defend the claim on the basis that:

a. The lease for the property grants the exclusive right to use the space as a lessee.

b. The landlord has no residual authority to rent out this space and can pass on no such authority to the Claimant.

c. The Claimant has no authority to rent out the space and no such contract has been formed,

d. The lessee has the authority over the use of the space and does not require the permission of the landlord or the Claimant.

e. As there is no contract, no payment is due.

21. UKCPM submits that the Defence is entirely without merit however, in order to narrow the issues, they respond below.

a. It is accepted that the Defendant is the lessee of the property known as xxx as referred to within the Title Register; however, the register also confirms that only the second floor flat is included within the title. (Document 8). Whilst it is accepted that, pursuant to the terms of the lease dated 24th March 2004, (Document 9) the lessee has the right to use of the bay in question, as with the majority of residents at the site who are allocated bays, it remains that the Defendant is neither the owner nor the leaseholder of the said bay.

[Notes by me: The lease itself includes that parking space, and the exclusive use clause in the previous post. CPM is incorrect in saying that the defendant is not the leaseholder of the space]

Pursuant to the terms of the said lease, specifically clause 3.4, the lessee is required to “observe and perform all covenants and stipulations contained or referred to in the Charges Register of the Title so far as the same relate to or affect the Flat or Parking Space and to indemnify the Lessor against all actions proceedings costs claims and demands in respect of any future non-observance or non-performance thereof other than by the Lessor”.

The lease also entitles the landowner at clause 6.4 to “at any time or times during the terms in the interests of good estate management impose such regulations of general application regarding the Estate and Block or the flats and parking spaces therein as it may in its reasonable discretion think fit in addition to or in place of the Regulations (but so that any such regulations shall not conflict with the lease) and the company shall have the power in its reasonable discretion to revoke amend or add to such regulations or any additions thereto or substitutions thereof”.

On the basis of the above, it is submitted that whilst the Defendant has been allocated a parking bay, the landowner has the right impose regulations in relation to the use and parking of a vehicle within the said bay and that the Defendant is required to comply with any such regulations.

Notwithstanding the above, given that the Defendant had no issues in displaying the permit
provided to him by the previous parking operator instructed to manage parking at the site and
further, that by receiving and accepting a permit provided to him by the Claimant, it is apparent the Defendant had no objections to the parking scheme.

b. Paragraph a) above is repeated.

c. Paragraph a) above is repeated.

d. Paragraph a) above is repeated.

e. Denied. The signage at the Site is the contract; by parking in the manner in which he did, i.e. parking without displaying a valid permit and in turn breaching the terms and conditions of parking, the Defendant accepted liability for the charge.

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The response to this from the defendant was:

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5. The Claimant’s Reply fails to show that they have sufficient authority to offer and enforce a contract in which they provide the use of this parking space in return for the payment of a parking charge.

6. The claim should be denied, as without sufficient authority no contract has been established and no parking charge or related costs are payable.

CLAIMANT’S ASSERTION OF AUTHORITY

7. The Defendant accepts Claimant’s Reply paragraph 9 that there is an agreement between the Claimant and the Landlord setting out the claimant’s standing and rights to act on behalf of the Landlord regarding the management of parking at the site.

8. The Defendant accepts that Claimant’s Reply paragraph 12 forms a unilateral offer to anyone wishing to park their vehicle at the location in exchange for displaying a permit or paying a parking charge.

9. The Defendant disputes Claimant’s Reply paragraph 13, which states that if a driver choose to remain then they agree to a contract for parking. The Defendant already had an unfettered right to use the parking space, was aware that the Claimant had no authority to offer or enforce such a contract, and did not agree to such a contract.

10. The defendant accepts Claimant’s Reply paragraph 18, which outlines the appeal process and outcome.

11. Claimant’s Reply paragraph 18 contained no refutation of the appeal ground that the Claimant had no authority to offer or enforce such a contract.

12. The Claimant has accepted in their Reply paragraph 21a that pursuant to the terms of the lease the Defendant has the right to the use of the parking space in question. However the Claimant failed to acknowledge that this is the right to the exclusive use of this parking space, excluding use by others (Document 9 in Claimant’s Reply, First Schedule, §8).

13. The Claimant has failed to show that the Defendant’s grant of exclusive use of the parking space has been fettered in such a way as to allow the Claimant to offer and enforce a contract for parking in that space.

CHARGES REGISTER

14. The Defendant accepts the statement in Claimant’s Reply in paragraph 21a that the Defendant is required to “observe and perform all covenants and stipulations contained or referred to in the Charges Register of the Title so far as the same relate to or affect the Flat or Parking Space and to indemnify the Lessor against all actions proceedings costs claims and demands in respect of any future non-observance or non-performance thereof other than by the Lessor”.

15. It is insufficient to state that such a covenant or stipulation might be contained in the title. The Claimant must show that there is in fact such a covenant or stipulation.

16. There are no relevant covenants or stipulations contained or referred to in the Charges Register of the Title (Claimant’s Reply Document 8).

17. Claimant’s Reply paragraph 21a regarding such covenants and stipulations is therefore not relevant to the Claimant’s purported authority to provide the use of the parking space in return for the payment of a parking charge.

REGULATIONS

18. The Defendant accepts the statement in Claimant’s Reply paragraph 21a that the lease clause 6.4 entitles the Landlord to “at any time or times during the terms in the interests of good estate management impose such regulations of general application regarding the Estate and Block or the flats and parking spaces therein as it may in its reasonable discretion think fit in addition to or in place of the Regulations (but so that any such regulations shall not conflict with the lease) and the company shall have the power in its reasonable discretion to revoke amend or add to such regulations or any additions thereto or substitutions thereof”.

19. It is insufficient to state that the Landlord could impose a regulation. Instead the claimant must show that the Landlord did in fact impose a regulation that fetters the grant of exclusive use of the space to the Defendant. Such a regulation would need to give the Landlord the power to offer to anyone the use of the parking space in return for the payment of a parking charge.

20. The claimant has failed to provide proof that the Landlord has imposed any such regulation. The agreement between the landlord and the Claimant is not such proof. The parking signs on the estate are not such proof. The Claimant is put to strict proof on this matter.

21. Additionally, the Landlord has confirmed to the Defendant that no regulation regarding parking has been imposed (Document 2).

22. In the absence of such regulation the lease clause granting exclusive use of the parking space to the Defendant remains unfettered.

ACCEPTANCE OF THE PARKING SCHEME

23. The Defendant rejects the statement in the Claimant’s Reply paragraph 11a that displaying a permit from a previous parking scheme and receiving a permit from the Claimant indicates that the Defendant had no objections to the parking scheme. The Defendant displayed the permit out of courtesy and not because there was any requirement to do so or acceptance of the scheme.

SUMMARY

24. The lease grants exclusive use of the space to the Defendant. There is no covenant or stipulation in the Title that fetters this. There is no Regulation imposed under lease clause 6.4 that gives the Landlord the authorisation to offer or enforce a contract for parking in this space.

25. The Claimant has failed to show that they have sufficient authority to establish a contract for the use of this parking space in return for a parking charge. The Claimant has shown evidence of an agreement delegating authority from the Landlord however the Landlord does not have this authority that they can delegate. The authority delegated by the Landlord to the Claimant cannot exceed the authority of the Landlord.

26. As the Landlord and Claimant have no authority to establish a contract for the use of this parking space in return for a parking charge, this claim is completely flawed and the Defendant asks that the claim be dismissed as it is without merit.

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The lease says:

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Rights Granted to the Leaseholder
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The right to exclusive use of the Parking Space for the purpose of parking a private motor vehicle.
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The parking space is a specific space named in the lease particulars.

The defence was that CPM have no authority to rent this space to anyone in exchange for displaying a permit or paying a charge. They have delegated authority from the landlord, but the landlord can't delegate authority that they themselves don't have.

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Thanks @jfollows. Although the circumstances are different, the judgement does imply that the landlord must have the authority to issue such charges. This could be done through a "regulation" as per the lease. In my case, the landlord has confirmed that they have not made any such regulation.

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I'm off to court at the end of the month regarding a Parking Charge Notice from CPM. It's regarding a specific space in a residential development that's leased to me with "exclusive use". I am not disputing that the vehicle was parked there, or that there was no permit displayed, or that there were clear notices.

I'm disputing the contract that has purportedly arisen. They use tortuous language, but my understanding is that the signs offer a contract, which a motorist accepts by parking there. Under the contract, CPM provides the use of the space and the motorist either displays a valid permit or pays a charge of £100.

These are the usual CPM-type notices, and for the purposes of this question I'm not disputing that they validly offer a contract.

My defence is that CPM have no authority to offer parking in that space, so no contract is formed. I have exclusive use of the space, and this is not fettered by any other lease provisions or regulations by the landlord.

Am I correct in thinking that as they have no ability of offer parking then there can be no contract? My understanding is that every contract must have consideration by both parties, and in this case they are providing no consideration.

In the court mediation call, CPM talked about "breaching the terms and conditions", but presumably they are only relevant if a contract has been formed.

Thanks

Kiwi

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