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Hi @b789 @jfollows

I’ve finally had a response from POPLA and my appeal was successful!! A huge thanks for all your help, especially the appeal template, very much appreciated 🙏

I’m really glad that I stuck to it in the end, saved a £100, but even more importantly, got what I think is the correct decision 😊

Please see below the assessor’s findings, in the hope that it might help someone else:


Assessor supporting rational for decision

I am allowing this appeal and will detail my reasoning below: By issuing a PCN the parking operator has implied that the terms and conditions of the private land have not been met. When an appeal is brought to POPLA, the burden of proof begins with the parking operator to demonstrate the breach they claim has occurred. I must therefore assess the terms and conditions of the site, any relevant code of practice, or legislation to determine if the PCN has been issued correctly. In this case the operator has issued the PCN for remaining at the car park for longer than the stay authorised or without authorisation. In the appeal it was explained that the driver of the vehicle had pulled over to take a short break. They state the signage at night is totally illegible. After entering the dark site, the appellant had a closer assessment of the signs, with a torch, and left after. The appellant has provided images of the car park at night which demonstrate the site is pitch black. The Private Parking Sector Single Code of Practice (The Code) sets the standards its parking operators need to comply with. Section 5.1 of the Single Code of Practice states that parking operators must allow a consideration period of appropriate duration, subject to the requirements set out in Annex B to allow a driver time to decide whether or not to park. In this case the appellant was on site for 5 minutes. I would consider it reasonable as the site was dark to take some time to read the terms. I am satisfied once they discovered the terms of the site they left within the consideration period. I must allow the appeal. I note the appellant has raised other issues as grounds for appeal, however, as I have decided to allow the appeal for the reason above, I did not feel they required further consideration.

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By the way, this is the sign in the carpark, about 8ft above ground level. The 2 hours max stay is clear enough, but the rest is much smaller, and not easy to read, especially in the dark.

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Hi @jfollows @b789

As suspected, the appeal to Parkingeye has been unsuccessful! Please find attached the letter and attachments. Is it worth me appealing to POPLA, risk being unsuccessful again and pay £100 or bite the bullet and pay £60 by tomorrow? I don't know what the success rate is with POPLA. As @b789 previously stated, the amount demanded is unfair and disproportionate, but will they agree?! Many thanks in advance for any guidance.   

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Thank you @jfollows for the advice and links.

A massive thank you also @b789 for the appeal template. I will submit this today and hope for the best.

Again, many thanks to you both 🙏👍

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Thanks for your response.

How would I know if they have followed the provisions of PoFA 2012 legislation correctly?

And also, would it be a stronger case to argue that the vehicle was only there for 5 minutes?

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Hi!

I've received a PCN (attached) as the keeper of the vehicle. The car was driven into a car park for 5 mins and 28 seconds out of store hours (at 23:33!) to drop off an individual and neither the driver or the passengers saw the signage as it was dark. T&C's were then checked by a passenger on their phone and the car was driven out once realised parking was not allowed out of store hours.

As the car was only in the car park for 5 minutes and 28 seconds, is there  way to appeal this? (I've read on other posts that it might take more time than this to form the 'contract'.)

Also, am I obliged as the keeper to disclose who was driving the car at the time of the PCN?

Finally, although the Date Issued states 14/04/2025, I only received this letter 2 days ago (24/04/2025).

Thanks in advance for any help!

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