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I submitted my POPLA appeal with the following main points:

2. The Notice to Keeper (NtK) is not compliant with PoFA 2012

The NtK fails to specify the required “period of parking” as stated in Paragraph 9(2)(a) of Schedule 4 of the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012.

A single timestamp (arrival or departure) is not a period of parking. ANPR cameras capture only entry and exit times, not the actual duration parked. Without a defined period of parking, the NtK is non-compliant and keeper liability does not apply.

3. No evidence of a contract being formed with the driver

4. The operator has not demonstrated landowner authority

5. Signage does not meet the requirements of the Code of Practice

6. No obligation to identify the driver

UKPC has now responded with their evidence pack. They seem to have ignored point 2 (PoFA compliance) but have sent a large amount of material relating to points 3 and 4, including a case summary, copies of the NtK, and several photos.
I now have 7 days to comment on their evidence.


Is this on the correct track

Thank you for the opportunity to comment on the evidence submitted.



1. PoFA 2012 Non-Compliance – Keeper Liability Not Established

My primary appeal point remains unchallenged.

The operator has not rebutted the PoFA 2012 Schedule 4 Para 9(2)(a) requirement to state a period of parking.

Their Notice to Keeper only provides ANPR timestamps (entry/exit), which do not constitute a parking period. ANPR cannot show the time parked.

Therefore, keeper liability cannot apply.

As the identity of the driver has not been evidenced, the operator cannot pursue the keeper.

This alone requires that the appeal is upheld.

2.  No Contract with the Driver

The operator has failed to provide any evidence that:

The signage was seen, readable, or agreed to by the driver

The signs displayed the terms clearly at the time of the event

No contract can be formed without clear communication of terms.

3.Landowner Authority Not Proven

The operator has provided generic documentation, but no unredacted, contemporaneous contract showing:

Authority to issue and pursue charges in their own name

The boundaries of the land

The precise conditions enforced

Strict proof is required.

4. Signage is Inadequate

The photos in the pack are stock images / taken in daylight — not proof of how the signage appeared to the driver at the time.

They do not demonstrate compliance with the Code of Practice’s requirements for visibility, prominence, and legibility.

Conclusion

The operator has not addressed the key PoFA point and has not shown that:

Keeper liability applies, nor

A valid contract was formed



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many thanks will have another go, much appreciated

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How does the sound ?


POPLA Appeal – UK Parking Control Ltd

Appellant: [Your full name]
POPLA Verification Code: [insert code]
Operator: UK Parking Control Ltd (UKPC)
PCN Reference: [insert PCN number]
Vehicle Registration: [insert reg]

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1. Introduction
I am the registered keeper of the vehicle referenced above. I am appealing against this parking charge notice (PCN) issued by UK Parking Control Ltd. I deny any liability for the alleged parking charge and submit that I am not liable as the keeper.

The Notice to Keeper (NtK) does not comply with the strict requirements of the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012 (PoFA), Schedule 4. As such, UKPC cannot transfer liability from the unknown driver to me, the keeper.

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2. The Notice to Keeper is not compliant with PoFA 2012

2.1 Failure to specify a “period of parking”
Under Schedule 4, Paragraph 9(2)(a) of PoFA 2012, a Notice to Keeper must:

“specify the vehicle, the relevant land on which it was parked and the period of parking to which the notice relates.”

UKPC’s NtK fails to specify any period of parking. It merely includes a single timestamp (arrival or departure time). A single timestamp cannot constitute a “period” and does not satisfy the statutory requirement.

POPLA and previous court decisions have recognised that arrival or exit times from ANPR data do not necessarily represent the actual period parked. Vehicles require time to enter, locate a space, read signage, and exit.

Accordingly, the NtK does not comply with Paragraph 9(2)(a), and UKPC cannot hold the keeper liable.

2.2 Failure to comply with other PoFA requirements
In addition, the NtK fails to comply with other PoFA requirements including, but not limited to:

- Paragraph 9(2)(f) – It must include a specific warning that the creditor will have the right to recover the charge from the keeper if payment is not made and the driver is not identified, if and only if the NtK fully complies with the Act.
- Paragraph 9(2)(b) – The NtK must “inform the keeper that the driver is required to pay the parking charge in full” and “state that it has not been paid in full.”
- Paragraph 9(2)(e) – The NtK must state that the creditor does not know both the name and current address for service of the driver.

UKPC’s NtK fails to meet the statutory wording and clarity required by PoFA in these respects.

As a result, UKPC cannot rely on keeper liability. Their only recourse would be to pursue the driver — whose identity has not been and will not be disclosed.

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3. No evidence of a contract with the driver
UKPC have provided no evidence that any contract was formed with the driver. Without a period of parking, there is no evidence that the vehicle remained on site beyond any reasonable grace or consideration period.

The British Parking Association (BPA) Code of Practice, paragraph 13.1, requires that operators allow a minimum 5-minute consideration period for drivers to read signage and decide whether to stay or leave. UKPC have not demonstrated that the driver exceeded that period.

Therefore, there is no evidence that any contractual breach occurred.

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4. The operator has not demonstrated landowner authority
As per the BPA Code of Practice (paragraph 7.2), UKPC must have written authorisation from the landowner to issue and enforce parking charges. The burden of proof lies with UKPC to demonstrate this authority.

Unless UKPC provides an unredacted copy of their contract with the landowner (not merely a witness statement), POPLA cannot be satisfied that UKPC has the necessary standing to issue and pursue charges.

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5. No admission as to driver identity
There is no legal obligation for the registered keeper to name the driver, and no presumption or inference can be drawn. The burden rests with UKPC to identify the driver if they wish to pursue liability under contract law. They have failed to do so.

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6. Conclusion
For the reasons stated above, I respectfully request that POPLA uphold my appeal and direct UK Parking Control Ltd to cancel this Parking Charge Notice.

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Signed:
[Your name]
[Date]

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The Notice to Keeper (NtK) is not fully compliant with PoFA 2012 para 9(2)(a) because it does not state a period of parking. A single timestamp is not a 'period' of parking. Also, there is no evidence that a contract was formed with the driver without a period of parking.

What this means is that UKPC cannot transfer any liability from the driver, if they do not know who that is, to the registered keeper. Even if they know who the driver was, they cannot evidence that a contract was formed unless they can show that it was parked for longer than the minimum 5 minute consideration period.

There is no legal obligation on the known keeper (the recipient of the Notice to Keeper (NtK)) to reveal the identity of the unknown driver and no inference or assumptions can be made.

The NtK is not compliant with all the requirements of PoFA which means that if the unknown driver is not identified, they cannot transfer liability for the charge from the unknown driver to the known keeper.

Use the following as your appeal. No need to embellish or remove anything from it:

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I am the keeper of the vehicle and I dispute your 'parking charge'. I deny any liability or contractual agreement and I will be making a complaint about your predatory conduct to your client landowner.

As your Notice to Keeper (NtK) does not fully comply with ALL the requirements of PoFA 2012, you are unable to hold the keeper of the vehicle liable for the charge. Partial or even substantial compliance is not sufficient. There will be no admission as to who was driving and no inference or assumptions can be drawn. UKPC has relied on contract law allegations of breach against the driver only.

The registered keeper cannot be presumed or inferred to have been the driver, nor pursued under some twisted interpretation of the law of agency. Your NtK can only hold the driver liable. UKPC have no hope at POPLA, so you are urged to save us both a complete waste of time and cancel the PCN.

It is as rare as hens teeth that a greedy unregulated private parking firm will ever accept an initial appeal, so when you receive the rejection, come back and we will assist with a POPLA appeal.

DO NOT pay UKPC. If you follow our advice, you will not be paying a penny to UKPC.

Just coming back as advised for support with a a POPLA appeal.

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 Any advise on this one, thanks

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This has now come back saying looked at my appeal with them and they think it still stands so have issued with a code for POPLA appeal, you advised to come back when this happens for next step.

Many thanks
M

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thank you

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So I got this letter today relating to this, what's next steps. Many thanks


Thank you for your recent correspondence in relation to parking charge reference *******


To assist us in making a decision regarding your appeal, please confirm the full name and address of the driver to our Appeals Department within seven
days of the date of this letter.
Schedule 4 of the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012 discusses the recovery of unpaid parking charges. It allows parking operators to hold the registered
keeper liable to pay unpaid parking charges if the operator has not been provided the name and a serviceable address of the driver.
This information may be confirmed by submitting another appeal on our website at www.ukpcappeals.co.uk, or by post to the address overleaf. Please
ensure that if writing to us by post that you include the parking charge reference number and vehicle registration.
Failure to provide this information will give us no alternative other than to make our final decision based on the previous information received. At this stage
a POPLA verification code will be provided.
The parking charge has been placed on hold whilst under appeal and may be settled in full at the current PCN rate of £100.00.

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Yes I did that with my email, that will work ok ?

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Excellent thank you, just had one of my own dropped for this form advice 4 days before court evidence was due so its working well.

Many thanks
M

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Hi,

My mum and Auntie went to our local Marks & Spencer after a hospital appointment for a cancer diagnosis. They both made purchases at the store and still have the receipts to prove it.

They each have valid disabled badges, but on this occasion my mum had just been told that her cancer has progressed to the terminal stage. They were understandably overwhelmed and went for a coffee in the store, forgetting to place the badge in the car window.

This shopping trip is part of their weekly routine. Despite this, they have now received a Notice to Keeper.

What’s the best way to proceed with this situation?

Thanks,
M

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Private parking tickets / Re: Support with defence statement BW legal
« on: August 18, 2025, 01:47:16 pm »
Just realised what I have done, never done the form with the defence statement email as always used MCOL before.

I just sent the defence statement and no defence form!

they have not question this, best just to pay it or see if the court will help ? :(


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Private parking tickets / Re: Support with defence statement BW legal
« on: August 18, 2025, 01:30:48 pm »
I have never linked this one with mcol account, to be honest I can't even remember how ? Could the be the issue.

Even if I have the email back re my defence statement just automated that they got my email does that not cover me at all ?


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Private parking tickets / Re: Support with defence statement BW legal
« on: August 18, 2025, 12:22:16 pm »
I have nothing for this one on MCOL portal, I am sure I read its better to email and not send defence statements via portal.

have I made an error here ?

Will call them tomorrow

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