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Private parking tickets / Re: Luton Airport Drop off/Pick up
« on: July 30, 2025, 03:59:48 pm »
Cheers pal

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Private parking tickets / Re: Luton Airport Drop off/Pick up
« on: July 30, 2025, 03:49:44 pm »
Thanks - much appreciated. And again, just to confirm that all that applies even when they know who the driver was?

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Private parking tickets / Re: Luton Airport Drop off/Pick up
« on: July 30, 2025, 03:39:14 pm »
Hi all. So I've now received a first letter from debt recovery plus. I've seen in a few threads (including this one), that apcoa don't do court. But is a letter of claim more likely in a case where they know for a fact who the driver was?

Thanks all

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Private parking tickets / Re: Luton Airport Drop off/Pick up
« on: April 29, 2025, 09:10:59 pm »
I'm aware. I only found about this forum, and other more effective appeal templates, after I'd already submitted that one.

So the question is, will this simply blow over? If it doesn't, how will I know when I need to take the letters etc seriously?

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Private parking tickets / Re: Luton Airport Drop off/Pick up
« on: April 29, 2025, 07:03:16 pm »
Thanks. Here's what I initially appealed to Apcoa with:
"Since the fire in the multistorey carpark a couple of years ago, the layout in London Luton Airport is continually changing. The drop off/pick up area has moved and the signage changes every time. It is not helped by the fact that previously there was a barrier to exit and payment was taken immediately. It is immensely confusing. When I saw the area marked out, I had understood that the first five minutes of parking time is not charged, so being that I was in for less than two minutes, I had understood that I did not need to pay. If that was incorrect then I'd of course be prepared to pay the original charge, but I'd appreciate if you could cancel the PCN."

They of course rejected and provided multiple images of the signage.

I then took sent the following to Popla:
“I am the registered keeper. APCOA cannot hold a registered keeper liable for any alleged contravention on
land that is under statutory control. As a matter of fact and law, APCOA will be well aware that they cannot
use the PoFA provisions because Luton Airport is not 'relevant land'. If Luton Airport wanted to hold owners
or keepers liable under Airport Bylaws, that would be within the landowner's gift and another matter entirely.
However, not only is that not pleaded, it is also not legally possible because APCOA is not the Airport owner
and your 'parking charge' is not and never attempts to be a penalty. It is created for APCOA's own profit (as
opposed to a bylaws penalty that goes to the public purse) and NCP has relied on contract law allegations of
breach against the driver only. The registered keeper cannot be presumed or inferred to have been the driver,
nor pursued under some twisted interpretation of the law of agency. Your NtK can only hold the driver liable.
APCOA have no hope at POPLA, so you are urged to save us both a complete waste of time and cancel the
PCN.”

Their rejection to this can be seen in the doc uploaded to the Google Drive link above.

Hope that helps.

Any chance of a rebuttal?

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Private parking tickets / Re: Luton Airport Drop off/Pick up
« on: April 29, 2025, 03:07:12 pm »
Just for avoidance of doubt, here's what's happened so far:

- The screenshot in that folder is what I originally appealed to APCOA (that was before I knew about the standard appeal template for this car park)

- They refused the original appeal

- I came to this forum to ask for advice

- I was advised here not to pay the PCN (then £25, now £95) - and instead appeal via POPLA with the standard template (I am the registered keeper. APCOA cannot hold a registered keeper liable...)

- I pointed out that the content of the template was at odds with my first appeal

- I was advised here that even though the appeal would probably be unsuccessful, i needn't worry as the worst that will happen is a bunch of letters until APCOA give up

Do I continue with this course?


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Private parking tickets / Re: Luton Airport Drop off/Pick up
« on: April 29, 2025, 01:20:45 pm »
See here: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1myXvAWyyjrmPkHo_-cleFxfcZzBsjl86/view?usp=drive_link

As far as I understood from previous poster jfollows; the appeal probably wouldn't be successful in any event


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Private parking tickets / Re: Luton Airport Drop off/Pick up
« on: April 29, 2025, 12:20:17 pm »
Hi there. Apcoa have now responded to the appeal to Popla. As expected, they've pointed out that the subsequent claim conflicts my initial claim. Popla now giving me the opportunity to respond to Apcoa evidence. Is there anything I should enter?

Cheers

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Private parking tickets / Re: Luton Airport Drop off/Pick up
« on: April 08, 2025, 11:42:10 am »
Okey dokey - appeal sent. Cheers!

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Private parking tickets / Re: Luton Airport Drop off/Pick up
« on: April 08, 2025, 11:29:15 am »
Thanks for this. If I'm unsuccessful with a further appeal it goes up to £95. Are you saying that if I appeal, even if unsuccessful, it will never go further? The PCN is £25 (the initial charge was £5) so I'm somewhat minded to pay it (much as I hate paying these companies). Cheers for your help!

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Private parking tickets / Luton Airport Drop off/Pick up
« on: April 07, 2025, 04:36:28 pm »
A PCN was received for using the pick up/drop off area without paying the £5 fee.
The keeper of the car challenged on the basis that the configuration of the parking facilities in LLA keeps on changing since the fire a couple of years back - navigating to the correct parking area is a hassle as is! The keeper challenged and advised APCOA that they had understood that up to 5 minutes was free. They were there for less than two minutes so didn't think the fee was payable.
Challenge was refused.
In challenging the keeper may have implied they were the driver at the time.
Is there anything that can be done at this time?
Thanks for your help!

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