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This is a very well known and notorious location, and there have been successful appeals on signage inadequacy. The video shows you passing no signs at all.

Thanks. Should i reply on the absence of signs as the sole basis or should I add any additional grounds?

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I will be back later this afternoon. I have one myself here! Take a look at their website too please.

Thank you, I will wait for your response. I think todays is the last day of the 14 day period.

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I have received a PCN from Havering Council for 52M.

It was late at night 23:23 and I was driving to obtain an out of hours prescription from a doctor for my son. I did not see any signs. There appear some road works going on. There are no signs shown on the PCN video but appreciate that in itself wont be enough.
Here is the PCN: https://imgpile.com/p/luQoDRc

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Thank you. My initial challenge was rejected.

Page 1  https://ibb.co/XfpfpBQx
Page 2  https://ibb.co/JRRnT3ks

I am planning to take this to tribunal and send a response later today. Any thoughts on this would be appreciated.

Grounds for Appeal
I am appealing against the Penalty Charge Notice (PCN) issued by the London Borough of Redbridge on the following grounds:

1. Inadequate and Obscured Signage

The advance warning sign may have been obscured by a high-sided vehicle at the time of approach, making it impossible for the driver to see and comply with the restriction.
The actual restriction signs are positioned too high and are side-on to a motorist approaching to turn left. This positioning does not provide adequate visibility or clarity for drivers, contrary to the principles of fair notice under traffic regulations.


2. Technical Non-Compliance with Statutory Requirements
The PCN fails to comply with mandatory requirements under Section 4(8)(v) of the London Local Authorities and Transport for London Act 2003, which states:

“(v) that, if the penalty charge is not paid before the end of the 28-day period, an increased charge may be payable.”

This must be read in conjunction with Section 4(8)(iii):

“(iii) that the penalty charge must be paid before the end of the period of 28 days beginning with the date of the notice.”


Issues with the PCN Wording


The PCN states:
“If you fail to pay the Penalty Charge or make representations before the end of a period of 28 days beginning with the date of service of this notice an increased charge of £240 may be payable.”


This wording is defective because:

It omits the mandatory information required by Section 4(8)(v).
It conflates two separate periods (payment and representation) using the word “or”, which creates ambiguity. Many would interpret “or” as conjunctive, meaning both conditions must be met, which is misleading.
Even if interpreted disjunctively, the statement lacks clarity and fails to specify the correct statutory period for payment, rendering the PCN non-compliant.




3. Lack of Clarity
The omission and conflation of statutory periods create confusion for motorists regarding their rights and obligations. This lack of clarity is a procedural impropriety and undermines the validity of the PCN.

Conclusion
Given the above:

The signage was inadequate and potentially obscured.
The PCN fails to meet statutory requirements under the London Local Authorities and Transport for London Act 2003.
The wording is misleading and prejudicial.

I respectfully request that the adjudicator allows this appeal and cancels the PCN.

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See the first link in my profile and copy and paste it. Check the wording fits your ticket.

Apologies, I have tried to find the relevant link but Can't seem to find it. Could you please provide me the link? Thank you so much in advance.

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I seem to have entered upon a season of PCNs. This one came through the door on Friday. I assume wifey drove through a pedestrian zone without realising. There are so many of these pedestrian zones in London that sooner or later one ends up being hit with the £160 fine.

The video on their website shows the car turning into the road and going down the road with the restriction times clearly marked.   

Is there any ground at all to fight this or should I bite the bullet and pay £80 before the 'discount' period runs out?

PCN p1
https://ibb.co/JR6QBDVv

PCN p2
https://ibb.co/W4pGKPFH

Picture 1
https://ibb.co/fd8dHFRz

Picture 2
https://ibb.co/5WCSSRjP

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Private parking tickets / Re: Legal claim received for Parking in Tesco
« on: November 22, 2025, 07:07:49 pm »
Thank you once again for that clarification. I have submitted the defence using the wording provided. Lets see what happens next.

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Private parking tickets / Re: Legal claim received for Parking in Tesco
« on: November 20, 2025, 12:56:22 pm »
Thank you. Appreciate your time and response.

I have not filed my defence yet only the AOS. I am waiting for Horizon to respond to my request for information under SAR which they may or may not respond to, in time.

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Private parking tickets / Re: Legal claim received for Parking in Tesco
« on: November 19, 2025, 01:23:12 pm »
Yes, I am.

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Private parking tickets / Re: Legal claim received for Parking in Tesco
« on: November 19, 2025, 12:50:14 pm »
I have just recieved a response from Gladstones and they have only provided me the letter that I already have. I do not think they have any other document in their possession. Neither the PCN not the NTK. They have provided NTK reminder notification (which I already have) and It says Parking charge issue date 20 Oct 2024 and date of breach 14 September 24. That's more than 14 days in between the alleged contravention and the PCN issue. Surely this is not enforceable. Any thoughts?

NTK reminder
https://ibb.co/WNgyKx5f

Letter from Gladstones
https://ibb.co/YF70tmsv

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Private parking tickets / Re: Legal claim received for Parking in Tesco
« on: November 16, 2025, 11:57:18 am »
Thank you very much.

I have now acknowledged the service of the claim. Unfortunately, can't seem to locate the original parking charge 'PCN' or the NTK. It has slipped from my memory, but I remember never receiving some of the documents. Any way, I have written to the Parking provider and made a Subject Access Request and also written to Gladstones and asked to make disclosure of the documents that they have referenced in the particulars of the claim.

There is one thing I do know that I had received a PCN from Horizon re: a different incident a little time before this one and I successfully argued Non-compliance with PoFA 2012 at POPLA on account of the wording around 28 days to pay. I am confident that the same fatal error must have occured in this case.

https://ibb.co/Jwf2G13P
https://ibb.co/k2dXgvYq
https://ibb.co/JwzsZQbd
https://ibb.co/Q7g0WMSk
https://ibb.co/WNgyKx5f
https://ibb.co/Ps2M7DQ0

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Private parking tickets / Legal claim received for Parking in Tesco
« on: November 13, 2025, 11:39:39 am »
Hi, have received a legal claim from Horizon Parking who are being advised by Gladstones. I intend to defend in court.

Any advice will be greatly appreciated. I will upload relevant documents shortly.

https://limewire.com/d/S3kw2#Rt27XRwViY

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Ah sorry I didn't read your post properly and was fooled by 'initial challenge'.

As they reoffered the discount which, increasingly, some authorities aren't doing for lost windscreen PCNs, may mean they are not confident.

However if the £80 is still on offer you should consider it I think.

Here?

https://maps.app.goo.gl/S68Fvj15UHC9yCFC6



Yes, £80 discount is still available. Thank you

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