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So signage is all Civil Enforcement Ltd but staff at the Oradent branch claim to have no dealings with Civil Enforcement Ltd themselves, they only deal with Creative Car Park Ltd., but stated that the car parking contract is handled by their operations team which I assume handles the car parking contract for the Oradent group.

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Oradent car park additional notices

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Oradent Car Park Notices

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Text from emails - I don't have dates for all of this but will follow up.

Oradent Ashford to Creative Car Park Ltd

"Good morning
I want you to be aware that our Internet system was down from approximately 12 noon Friday 3rd January 2025 to approximately 3:30pm Monday 6th January, due to a serious outage in this locality, some patients were able to record their car details others were not .

We started to write numbers down , but for consistency we want you to be aware that no fines should be issued between these periods for cars in the car park as clearly was not the patient's fault. "


From Creative Car Park Ltd to Oradent Ashford

Good morning ########,

Thank you for your email.

I have added a blackout for this period, in the future can this be raised with us on the day the issue arises.

Regards
 
########

Client Liaison Team


From Oradent Ashford to Creative Car Park Ltd

Sent: 28 February 2025 13:51
To: Client Partnerships and Retention <customerservice@creativecarpark.co.uk>
Subject: Customer fine issued

Good Afternoon

A Patient has had a fine during the period we recorded with you that the systems where down , Can you please cancel any penalty charge

  ####### NISSAN LEAF

I Can confirm they attended the practice for an apppointment on 3.1.25  .


From Creative Car Park Ltd to Oradent Ashford

Hi,
 
I hope you are well.
 
Please kindly note, as the PCN has reached debt recovery stages, it is outside of our remit and cannot be cancelled or reduced on our end.
 
Please ask the driver to liaise with DCBL themselves.
 
Kind Regards,
########


From Oradent Ashford to me

Good Morning ########

I am sorry you are having issues regarding the disputed fine received when our portal was out of action.
 For your benefit I attach the correspondance received from the company confirming a block was being put on the portal so you should not have received a fine for the visit to the Dentist on 3.1.25.

Also the response from them when you contacted and said you'd received a fine.

I hope all of this supports you disputed fine.

I will also  email them again myself informing them of the conversation with the debt collection agency today ....

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PCN page 2

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PCN attached

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Also the letters from DCBL state that they are acting for Civil Enforcement Ltd.

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Thanks for the advice, all very helpful.  Civil Enforcement Ltd definitely act on behalf of Creative Car Park Ltd - this taken from the Creative Car Parks Ltd website:

* Source: POPLA annual report 2023. Note, Civil Enforcement Ltd operates on behalf of Creative Car Park Ltd 

Email correspondance Oradent shared with me is between Oradent and Creative Car Park Ltd.  I was provided with a Creative Car Park email address by Oradent and made a complaint via that email address, customerservice@creativecarpark.co.uk.  I've not received a reply.

All PCN letters have been recieved from Civil Enforcement Ltd and refer to the Oradent car park at the Ashford address.

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My partner parked at Oradent Ashford private car park on 03/01/20 25.  The terminal for number plate entry was out of service due to a power fault in the building so our vehicle details were left with the staff on the desk at Oradent to pass on to the parking operator.  The Manager at Oradent informed the operator, Creative Car Park Ltd (CCP) / Civil Enforcement Ltd (CE) that the terminal was out of service and was told by the CCP customer service agent that a 'black out' would be put in place for the day, which I assume means no PCNs would be issued on the day based on the registration being missing from the number plate registration terminal data.

To be clear, there was no parking contravention, we were legitimate customers and our vehicle details were passed to the staff on the desk at Oradent.

To my surprise, I received a PCN through the post addressed to me as registered keeper.  I passed the letter to my partner as she was the driver and she phoned Oradent, the owners of the car park, who informed her that it would be dealt with it.

I assumed all would be fine as 2 previous PCNs issued in similar circumstances by Parking Eye had been successfully cancelled following a phone call to the car park owner who had then called the parking operator (Parking Eye in the other cases) and arranged for the PCN to be cancelled.

So the appeal window expired while I was thinking it had all been dealt with following the call to the manager at Oradent.

A reminder was received end of January / early February which I again passed to my partner, who made a further call to  the manager at Oradent, 13/02/2025 followed by a letter from the debt collector (DCBL Ltd) dated 7th March.

I've seen extracts from the email conversation between the Oradent manager and customer services and CCP Ltd so I know that CCP were informed of the terminal fault, I've also seen extracts from an email sent to CCP by the Oradent Manager informing them that we have received a PCN when we shouldn't have.

The appeal window has now closed I don't seem to have any way to speak to anyone about this.  Oradent have contacted CCP again and been told that they can't do anything as its been sent to debt recovery (DCBL) I've spoken to DCBL who have said that to cancel the PCN they require an email from CCP requesting that the PCN be cancelled.  I can't go to POPLA as I have no appeal rejection reference from CCP.

Just seems to be impossible to talk to anyone about this.  I've emailed CCP complaints department and their customer services email address which was passed to me by the manager at Oradent and I've not received a reply to either.

I've no idea what happens next, other than a County Court summons.  I've never been to court, have no idea how to prepare and absolutely no desire to pay a solicitor to deal with this madness.

Any advice greatly appreciated.

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