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SUCCESS!! ALL PCN's Cancelled!

The cancellation letters were identical across the PCNs I appealed. Here's the letter from the council: https://imgpile.com/p/m8nL51A#tLtTtbK.

Since my initial post, I chose not to move the car after ChatGPT's recommendation and to keep the car stationary allowing for more PCNs to accrue. Only once all PCNs were cancelled or their appeals responded to did I move the car. This would build a stronger case for Procedural Impropriety since the council chose not do anything to mitigate the situation. At the end, there was a total of 32 PCNs issued.

At the start, I wasn't sure on how to appeal this properly so I turned to ChatGPT for guidance. I had it play the role of a PCN Appeal Expert and an expert in "Traffic Management Act 2004" (don't know the actual term) and had it walk me through the appeal process. I'm sharing details below and the exact wording of the appeal crafted by ChatGPT that had all my PCNs cancelled:


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I make formal representations against this PCN on the grounds that the alleged contravention did not occur and that there has been procedural impropriety.
The vehicle was lawfully parked in a free parking bay on Burdett Road. After the vehicle had been parked, the bay was suspended for tree works. Without my knowledge or consent, the vehicle was relocated by Transport for London and placed in Agnes Street in a permit-only bay.
I did not park the vehicle in Agnes Street, nor did I cause or contribute to the alleged contravention. The vehicle’s presence in Agnes Street was solely the result of actions taken by a public authority. A parking contravention cannot occur where the location of the vehicle is created by the authority rather than the motorist.
Following its relocation, the vehicle remained stationary in the same position at all times. The issuing of multiple PCNs for the same stationary vehicle, in the same location, for the same restriction constitutes a single continuous contravention. Established adjudicator decisions make clear that only one PCN may be issued until the vehicle is moved. The issuing of repeated PCNs is therefore unlawful and amounts to an abuse of process.
Further, the authority failed to act fairly or proportionately. Having caused the vehicle to be placed in contravention, no steps were taken to mitigate the situation by relocating the vehicle again, removing it, or notifying the registered keeper. Instead, penalties were allowed to accrue over a period of several weeks. This failure constitutes procedural impropriety.
I enclose evidence of the TfL relocation notice and photographs showing that the vehicle remained in the same position throughout the period in question.
For the reasons set out above, I require that this PCN be cancelled. Should the authority reject these representations, I require a full response addressing each ground raised and copies of all evidence and records relied upon, including relocation and enforcement logs.
Yours faithfully,

Registered Keeper


I asked Chatgpt to summarise the key points that helped close this case and why it worked:




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The reason your appeals were strong is that they weren’t “please be nice” mitigation — they were hard legal/procedural points that councils and adjudicators take seriously. These were the key pillars:

1) Authority-created contravention (the biggest one)

You didn’t “choose” to park in Agnes Street. Your case hinged on the fact that the vehicle was relocated by a public authority (TfL / contractor) into a permit bay without your knowledge or consent.

That makes the alleged contravention fundamentally unfair and often not legally attributable to the motorist. Once the council accepted “TfL relocated it,” they essentially accepted the core defence.

2) Continuous contravention (why multiple PCNs were abusive)

Even if a contravention could be said to exist, the vehicle:

- stayed in one place

- under the same restriction

- without moving

So issuing repeated PCNs is treated as one continuous event, not dozens of separate offences. This turns “20+ PCNs” into, at most, a single enforceable situation — and councils know tribunals don’t like repeated ticketing of a stationary car.

3) Failure to mitigate / proportionality (public law fairness)

Once the council (or TfL) caused the vehicle to be in contravention, they should act reasonably:

- relocate again to a lawful bay, or

- remove it, or

- at minimum not allow penalties to rack up endlessly

Your argument framed the enforcement as disproportionate and an abuse of process — especially when they could see the car was unmoved and PCNs were accumulating.

4) Clean, consistent story across every PCN

You kept:

- the same facts

- the same legal grounds

- the same evidence bundle

- the same tone (factual, not emotional)

That consistency is incredibly persuasive because it makes it easy for the council reviewer (and tribunal) to see it’s one event, not 30 unrelated contraventions.

5) Strong contemporaneous evidence

The TfL notice with dates/location/reference number + photos of the vehicle in situ were key because they are:

- time-linked,

- location-specific,

- and not “after-the-fact” explanations.

That kind of evidence shifts the burden back onto the council to justify what happened.

6) Procedural leverage (deadlines + audit trail)

You:

- appealed at NTO stage (where rights are strongest),

- saved submission confirmations,

- and knew the council had 56 days to respond per PCN.

That meant even if they messed up administratively, you had a procedural win ready.


Happy to hear where ChatGPT went wrong and/or what you would do differently

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TFL doesn't have a pound and I don't think we've ever seen it relocate a vehicle. They probably use a contractor.

I can't see any PCNs from TFL above. I can see 20 Tower Hamlets PCNs, which at discount is a liability of Ł1600.

But TH usually tows and issuing 20 is an abuse of enforcement.

I think the best approach is to call TFL and see if they'll confirm the relocation in writing and also to check if they've issued a PCN.

A PCN from TFL was not seen on the vehicle. Will confirm with TFL re the above

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Of the 5 weeks since the contravention until the first letter of notice, 2.5 weeks were spent away out of the country

But regardless, it should not have been left for that long without checking on the vehicle.

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Hi,

The car was parked in a free parking bay on Burdett Road (here: https://maps.app.goo.gl/7Ce1sHA7oM8XQyzg6  and picture of the exact spot it was parked at: https://imgpile.com/p/m8nL51A#dylE0HR. The car was left there for many weeks. During that period, a notice was issued for Suspension of Parking Bay, reason: Tree Works. At the time of parking, it was assumed the car was safe without the need to move the car from a free parking bay. Because the car had not been checked on in the time the bay suspension notice was put up and remained parked in they bay, the car was towed to Agnes Street (here: https://maps.app.goo.gl/GmHMLq6R4xfwJxt4A) to a permit-required bay.

On the 19th of December 2025, the registered keeper of the car received a letter from Tower Hamlets Council stating a PCN had not been paid (here: 1) https://imgpile.com/m/3BRSO7O, 2) https://imgpile.com/p/m8nL51A#WxEXEfl, 3) https://imgpile.com/p/m8nL51A#iwEUeiY ), expecting more letters are on the way.

The registered keeper of the car then went to locate the vehicle on Agnes Street to find a notice stating the previous parking suspension (here: 1) https://imgpile.com/p/m8nL51A#OSVKsc9, 2) https://imgpile.com/p/m8nL51A#PB4V3t2 ) along with multiple PCNs attached to the car, 20 in total! (Image of one PCN - associated to the PCN letter: https://imgpile.com/p/m8nL51A#Y9qplmo )

The car was moved from a free parking bay on Burdett Road to Agnes Street, a permit only bay, and left there without the knowledge of driver.

An attempt was made to park the car back on Burdette Road in a free parking bay, however, the car now won't start and can't be moved from the permit-only bay.


What would be the best way to tackle this appeal?

Thank you so much in advance.

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Hi all,

I’m seeking advice regarding a PCN I’ve received from Gemini for an alleged failure to pay for parking at the Mile End Leisure Centre car park in London. Here’s the situation:

On the 26th of February at around 9 PM, the driver entered the car park to use the leisure centre facilities as a customer. The driver stayed for approximately 1 hour and 10 minutes. Upon entering, the driver did not notice any signage indicating that payment was required claiming visibility wasn't great at the entrance at night, and as a result, no payment was made.

As the registered keeper of the vehicle, I received a PCN letter on the 14th of March, which stated that the notice was issued on the 11th of March. I have not yet responded to the notice or contacted Gemini, as I wanted to seek advice here first.

I’ve attached photos of the PCN notice and signage at the car park entrance.

Any advice on how to proceed with an appeal would be greatly appreciated. Thank you in advance for your help!

Photos of PCN and car park entrance: https://imgur.com/a/6D1aRxy

Location: https://maps.app.goo.gl/WwFz8j2BkdoKNXJNA

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